The BNC Episode 22 - Supergirl

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On this episode the brothas review Supergirl (2026). 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_14 0:01

Hello and welcome to the B and C, the Black Nerd Culture podcast, where three brothers have deeper conversations about the Black Nerd Sphere and beyond. I am Sean here with Vin and CJ. Today we'll be discussing Supergirl, directed by Craig Gillespie and written by Anna Nogueira, starring Millie Alcock, Jason Momoa, Eve Ridley, and featuring David Cornswe. So with the preamble out of the way, let's jump right in.

SPEAKER_07 0:25

Okay, first and foremost, I just realized I don't know any of those names before the actors. And I feel like the rest of this is going to make sense for me now. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 0:38

That that yeah, because who this this was definitely a movie. It was a movie.

SPEAKER_07 0:45

And you know, I saw uh uh on somebody, a friend of mine's Facebook, you know, Facebook for any you know, people you never really met and shit. Um uh and she's a nerd, um, and she posted a post, of course, that said, well, this is a movie that exists now. Yes, basically, and I understand fully what she meant when she said it. And in her comments, someone was like, Oh, at least it wasn't bad.

SPEAKER_14 1:12

Nope, that's not what that is. You didn't, yeah. I really wanted to like this movie. I really did too.

SPEAKER_07 1:21

I was like excited, like, come on now, let's let's do this. Because the last super girl movie I remember was that Helen's player.

SPEAKER_14 1:34

That shit was a fucking fever drink. Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_13 1:38

But I mean, this is better as more cohesive. Yeah. It has a beginning, middle, and end.

SPEAKER_07 1:50

Yeah, it has a bit of getting a middle and an end.

SPEAKER_11 1:52

Um that's it, yeah. I mean, the that is super gratitude.

SPEAKER_14 1:58

Um do we want to get into the intricacies of the film after we talk about the synopsis or after we're going to do the synopsis?

SPEAKER_06 2:11

Maybe we just want to bag on it. It's up to you. It's up to you.

SPEAKER_14 2:14

I mean, it's gonna be like it's definitely gonna be a bagging for me.

SPEAKER_07 2:22

Bag and sag and bury.

SPEAKER_14 2:24

Definitely a bag of sagging. Like, because like I said, I really wanted to like this movie, but it has really hopeful problems. Like it's it's early 2000s superhero movies. Yeah, what yeah, like I struggled to find the point. Right.

SPEAKER_07 2:42

Well because there was so much, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:44

Not only that, there was so little, it was so vapid, it was a lot, but it was shallow. It's definitely shallow. Because and the thing is, like, you had a better story with the and we'll get into this with in the synopsis, but the basically the space rapists, yes, you had a better story there on its own, literally. Like the the the catalyst, the exciting incident is nothing burger. It's a nothing burger. Not only that, but this is the second time crypto has been put in danger.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 3:20

I didn't realize that when I was watching, I was like, wait, hold on, let me think about this real quick. This is the second fucking time that dog has been in danger, bro. Like, how many times are you gonna make make me try to care try to make me care about this fictional ass dog? Like I forgot about that. Not only this fictional, this badass fictional dog. Like, I can see if it was a if it was like a uh you know, trust beaten fucking crypto that like the you know uh fucking super pets thing or whatever the fuck that we we've seen him in where he's like you know the boy scout, you know, vers uh dog version of Superman shit like that. No, this nigga's bad.

SPEAKER_07 4:01

Yeah, he's he's a badass dog, he's horrible, like I mean, and it's like it was kind of it was kind of like uh in Superman, yeah, yeah. And then this one is just like I mean, I'm kind of glad he wasn't in the movie fully.

SPEAKER_14 4:19

Like with this one, I was like, I don't give a fuck. I don't I don't care about the dog, like yeah, and that's fucked up for me to say, but I do feel like going forward with what happens at the end, even though it was unearned. It's so unearned, and we'll get to that too. Yeah, but uh she seems to have made a turn, and it's possible they that they'll be training crypto, her and um Clark together.

SPEAKER_11 4:46

Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_14 4:51

Because he immediately took responsibility as soon as the dog ate chocolate.

SPEAKER_11 4:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 4:57

Yeah. He's in chocolate. Chocolate, yeah. So you yeah, you didn't see the very, very end.

SPEAKER_07 5:04

Oh, you know what? Um, was there a post credit?

SPEAKER_14 5:07

No, this was at the end of the movie. Yeah, fuzzy.

SPEAKER_09 5:17

All right, let's get into the story.

SPEAKER_07 5:19

Oh, before this just for our I was gonna say, so before the pod, uh, ladies and gentlemen, um, I admitted that I fell asleep. Yeah, I missed during the infight. I fell asleep.

SPEAKER_14 5:32

Yeah, because if you did, yeah, if you fell asleep on the infight, you definitely didn't catch the very end of the movie.

SPEAKER_07 5:36

I swear I caught the very end. I swear I did. I swear I saw credits roll.

SPEAKER_08 5:40

Did you yeah, and where you woke the fuck up?

SPEAKER_01 5:47

I was so fuzzy. Fuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy wuzzy had no hair.

SPEAKER_07 5:56

Oh no, I'm like, I remember, I remember like um she took her with her or some shit.

SPEAKER_09 6:05

Yes, yeah, but there's a scene after that, and I was like, I could have sworn like she's that's fair.

SPEAKER_07 6:13

No, no, no, no. Like, I remember that there was something after that. I just don't remember what it was. Okay, yeah, so run through the synopsis.

SPEAKER_14 6:18

Yeah, we'll go to the synopsis. All right, yeah, all right. So we opened the movie by watching crypto interact with Keras or else mess of a shit. So it's just mess of a shit. Yeah, garbage everywhere. She's a mess. I mean, it's her it's her head. She's a mess. Yeah, yeah. Um, so he knocks over a bottle, sniffs at the contents. P's on the Daily Planet newspaper with a big picture of her cousin Clark on it. He eats something. I couldn't tell what that was, and wakes and then wakes Kara up. Uh, she turns off a video message from Clark, and the montage follows the two traveling from planet to planet, Kara parties on some and relaxes with crypto on others. And we end the montage with crypto and Kara eating Kara, sorry, Kara eating um cereal and watching a movie aboard Kara's ship.

SPEAKER_07 7:06

Yeah, it's her birthday week, too.

SPEAKER_14 7:07

Yeah, it's her birthday week. Um after the montage, we well, does anybody want to talk about that part?

SPEAKER_07 7:15

I don't care about the montage.

SPEAKER_14 7:16

Yeah, me neither.

SPEAKER_07 7:19

I was like, oh, oh, this is what we're doing. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_14 7:21

Yeah, I have the birthday thing later. Um it's yeah, it's nothing. Yeah, we cantage, it's the opening montage, which like okay.

SPEAKER_11 7:36

Uh yeah, uh you know, I'm not a fucking filmmaker, but like uh, you know, it's kind of wild, but alright.

SPEAKER_07 7:42

Just right there, just right there, like nothing. Okay, alright, cool. So this is what we're doing. All right.

SPEAKER_14 7:47

So after the montage, we see a different ship approaching a planet and then a house. Inside the house, we see a child whom we later find out is Ruthie. She wakes up at um as she hears the ship's uh incoming noise, and then we cut to an armored man exiting the ship, and then we cut back cut back to Ruthie's house where we see her parents, Elias, and Delilah, Noel, standing inside, and it looks like they're awaiting um the visitor. Uh Elias acknowledges the ship as a brigand vessel and notes that they have come for his swords. Uh, Delilah agrees and believes that as long as they get what they want, they'll leave. They both brace to see the incoming visitor. Okay. I gotta say something. Um these okay, so these motherfuckers can travel around in space, have technology up the wazoo. Why the fuck do they need swords? I was waiting for the swords to be something special. Something made out of some fucking metal, if metal or something like that.

SPEAKER_08 8:54

That would have been cool.

SPEAKER_07 8:56

Like, and and they try to say they try to big up the sword, and that was actually one of my big questions. Like, what does it do? It does nothing because throughout the movie, I don't remember anybody really doing anything special with the sword except for using it to cut something or try to.

SPEAKER_06 9:12

It's just a fucking sword. It's barely used, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:16

That's what I was gonna say. Because I I was like, I was hoping like maybe at the the the last fight, maybe it got some it it it did some shit.

SPEAKER_14 9:23

And Kara never used it. Uh the girl used it like once, really.

SPEAKER_07 9:30

The only time I saw her use it was when she tried and failed.

SPEAKER_14 9:34

Right. She uses it, she throws it at at one point during the final fight scene. The like the final final fight scene. Um and that's about it. And then the bad guy gets keel haul with keel keel haul with it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:50

Keel hauled?

SPEAKER_14 9:51

Keel hauled, yeah. He gets uh he gets shish kebab with that shit.

SPEAKER_07 9:55

Oh, keyhold.

SPEAKER_14 9:57

Yeah. Sure. Keyhole. Um, yeah, he gets keyhold with it, and then that's about it. Like it doesn't they don't so they play it up later, like, oh, you know, this guy, you know, um Rufie gets a reaction from uh the crowd that she's talking to by mentioning her father's name, but and uh Yeah, that's it. Like and that's it. Like I can see all the the great if metal, you know, blacksmith or something like that. Like that was a perfect point to introduce inf metal. Yes, it was. Like, and that would have made sense. Inf metal is like super fucking durable, it could do a whole bunch of shit in the DC. Yeah, yeah. On a level with vibranium as far as uh super as far as vibrant man, animated, yeah. Like it's on the it's on the host and stuff like that. So it's it's fucking it's up there.

SPEAKER_07 10:53

So would we not so yeah, this was uh this was a a shot to miss that motherfucker right there.

SPEAKER_14 11:00

It was perfectly right there, yeah it was right there, and it's just like yeah, it's a fucking sword, and he is a great source, but motherfucker, y'all got laser beams. The fuck is you talking about a sword for?

SPEAKER_09 11:12

Like y'all got missiles or shit. The fuck is you talking about a sword for?

SPEAKER_06 11:18

I don't understand what the point of the sword was at all.

SPEAKER_07 11:21

And I was gonna ask, like, was was her character in the comics?

SPEAKER_14 11:31

I believe I think well, this is all based off of um a graphic novel called uh Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 11:38

I think Ruthie is a character in that, but I have to double check. Yeah, okay. I didn't mean to walk and read the read the graphic novel, but I didn't get a chance to.

SPEAKER_14 11:48

Yeah, double check that real quick, because but yeah, I just it's like, oh this, you know, these weapons are amazing. And the guy even tops says, like, oh, this these are my life's work. It's like, bro, they're just fucking swords, my guy.

SPEAKER_07 12:02

Yeah, I don't know. He said they're like the finest metal or something like that, but he didn't say anything.

SPEAKER_14 12:07

I don't even think he said finest metal, and I rewatched it. Like, there he's a fine swords swordsmith. That was it, or what or blacksmith, or however you want to put it. But like they did a little Easter egg with one of the uh authors from Supergirl Woman Tomorrow, the planet that they first go to, or first say that uh brigands are on its bell key. Yeah, and it's one of the authors.

SPEAKER_05 12:31

Oh, okay. So that's cute. That's cute.

SPEAKER_14 12:34

All right, so um they both brace to receive the incoming visitor. The armored man uh enters the home, lays his axe and helmet down, and we see that he is a bedazz he is bedazzled. Um he also uses the voice modulator to talk, but that never comes back or does anything, like it's not a weak point or anything like that.

SPEAKER_07 12:58

Oh, so that's what that was the thing on his neck was okay.

SPEAKER_14 13:00

Yeah, it's a voice modulator. And it's like make a big point of right, but they make a big point of pressing it, like it's it normally when you make a point of that, it's either something that comes back later or it's supposed to be mincing in some of some kind. It's like, okay, the dude smoked a pack a day of you know his entire life. The fuck? Who cares? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:24

Bro, I just looked up, I just looked up Craig Gillespie. I mean Craig Gillespie. All right, his notable works are Lars and the Real Girl.

SPEAKER_14 13:35

No, that wasn't too bad for another one. Fuck oh Cruella. I heard decent things. Cruella was okay, like it was unnecessary, but it's Disney. It's not incredibly notable. No, I would say that. You should have let with that the one with um, yeah, yeah.

unknown 14:08

I don't know that one either.

SPEAKER_07 14:09

I I think I've heard of it, but that's it. He did the Pam and Tommy miniseries. Okay.

SPEAKER_14 14:16

These are things you should lead with.

SPEAKER_07 14:18

They weren't at the time.

SPEAKER_14 14:20

Wasn't that with um the Pam and Tommy series with um uh Sebastian Stan? Uh uh 2022. Wow. Alright. So, um, so yeah, actually synopsis. I'm just calling that one down. Uh so it's all yeah. Um, but yeah, that the modulator never comes back. So meanwhile, Ruthie was um has snuck out of her room to see what is happening. She slowly approaches down the hallway as the man inquires about the pie behind Delilah. Delilah gives the man the pie, and we see a shot of Ruthie's brother in his room with his headphones on as he listens to music. Yeah, just this is this is dumb as fuck. Dumb as fucking this thing.

SPEAKER_07 15:14

The awareness, bro.

SPEAKER_14 15:15

The awareness, so yeah, the fucking situational awareness. Uh like you couldn't hear the tension, like like how long did you have your headphones off? Like a hot second, just never mind.

SPEAKER_07 15:25

Anyway, like even my wife's like, what the fuck was that? What the fuck did you do? And and for some reason I'm like, Well, maybe, and I don't know why I did that. Yeah, I tried to defend the stupidity of this, and I don't know why I did.

SPEAKER_14 15:38

I know I know why he did it. I was hoping, yeah, I know I know why he did it, just say, because like Sean, like Sean say, it's a six situational awareness of a gnat. Like it, but yeah, um because he didn't know what was happening at all.

SPEAKER_06 15:53

By the way, the uh writer for Supergirl Anna Vere She did one short in 2018.

SPEAKER_14 16:06

Bro, I remember this was fast tracked after Superman got after Superman uh received its flowers, they fast tracked Supergirl.

SPEAKER_07 16:16

Yeah, it feels like a fast track doesn't have a lot of uh writing experience getting rushed to do a movie in what it definitely feels like and it looks like she was she's tapped for Wonder Woman and Teen Titans.

SPEAKER_14 16:37

Yeah, keep um I don't know after this one call her name, call her on her name. I'm not gonna say I don't know about this one, though. Yeah, I don't know about this one.

SPEAKER_07 16:49

It might be uh we might get some bad 15 acting credits, yeah. I saw that. And man. Um not a lot else. I respect that a woman wrote it. Yeah, always but I I feel like there needed to be drafts.

SPEAKER_14 17:15

I if I don't know if stuff was left on like the cutting room floor or if this was just the first you know, this was like US Fantasy Theory, like this was like a first draft type of deal. Like no matter what, it wouldn't help. Yeah, because it's on it's definitely undercooked. Because to get in my writing bag, it's lacking a core an hour later. So yeah. When it comes to the core of any movie and this always goes with uh with writing. The concept is to keep it simple. Keep it simple, stupid. So the core from from the core, everything else pins out from the story. So you have your core, and it's usually protagonist versus an antagonist, which wasn't there because the antagonist wasn't just whatever. Protagonist versus environment, which you can see in stuff like the graph. Or protagonist versus self. And usually when it comes to protagonist versus self, there is a side character that the protagonist bounces off of that makes it that makes them come to a new realization or a new way of thinking that changes the character. So the side character usually has something going on that's similar but not the same as uh what's going on with the main character. And then they definitely tried to do that. They did Ruthie's 13, the same age as uh Carl, and she's um is uh sent from Argo City. Um but yeah. Um it lacked a lot because Ruthie, I'm not gonna like the actress did what she could, she's very young, it's very difficult, but she had no chemistry with Kara whatsoever. And uh and I don't know if this is the movie or not, but like and I don't know if this character not. I kinda it first off, this feels like it could have been a TV show, yeah, that we're gonna talk about it really did it should have been a TV show, and honestly, I feel like CW would have done a better deal.

SPEAKER_07 19:25

I'm not gonna lie, like Valanti CW, I think would have done a better job.

SPEAKER_14 19:30

Like I'm gonna hold you. Not wrong. Honestly, the first probably I haven't seen Supergirl the show, but more than likely, the first season Supergirl kicks this movie's ass, and I would put money on it. Usually, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 19:48

Honestly, if we if we do if we negate you know the budget, usually you can't talk about it.

SPEAKER_06 20:01

That goes without saying.

SPEAKER_07 20:02

I mean, story-wise, yeah, honestly.

SPEAKER_14 20:05

Yeah, yeah, story wise, yeah. That's all we're talking about.

SPEAKER_07 20:07

Honestly, yeah, story-wise, yeah. This the super girl show was yeah, yeah. I watched like the first like two, three seasons.

SPEAKER_06 20:15

There you go. That's all you need. To be honest with you, for the Berlin T verse. Yeah. The arrow verse. Two, three seasons. That's how you hop off the train. Then you look back and say, oh yeah, this shit's still going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 20:30

And then you just nod on like it's like one, it's like the scene at the end in uh Dark Knight Rises where uh at the end you see Alfred and he sees Bruce and he just gives him a head nod. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 20:51

Good audio. I'm glad you guys kept the actor's fate for a little while. Exactly. All it is.

SPEAKER_07 20:59

That's bad because like it was it was such a it was a time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 21:04

No, first I started recognizing pattern right away with arrow, and then it happened with the flash. I was like, that's gonna be a thing, isn't it? It was it was a thing. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 21:19

Then it's like, what do we do?

SPEAKER_14 21:21

Right. It immediately falls off the list. Right. Because you can only keep the villain of the week thing going for so long. Not only that, but the stor something happens along the lines along some sometime where they just stop trying. You can tell they just fucking stop trying.

SPEAKER_06 21:43

That's what happens often too.

SPEAKER_14 21:46

Neutralrunners will come on, they won't get the neutral runner or writers will swap and stuff like that. So a whole bunch of shit happens behind the scenes. And it just it's notably worse. It is like, I don't know, maybe they feel like they've gotten their money's worth out of the first three seasons. Seasons, so they they're like, Gotcha, bitch. And then they switch to like a McDonald's showrunner, somebody like you know, they just change the door around a little bit. Where it's like, you know, we just got this guy off. He just finished working his shift at McDonald's, he don't give a fuck about nothing else.

SPEAKER_11 22:15

Yeah, and uh, you know, he's gonna be your new showrunner now. Yeah, not gonna not lie.

SPEAKER_14 22:20

Honestly, kind of way it goes, but yeah, like uh I just this was definitely it was definitely undercooked. Like what Sean's saying is absolutely right, it lacks a core. There's no ground to it, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:33

There's nothing cohesive for it for real.

SPEAKER_14 22:36

And I feel like Millie Alcott was trying, but it also comes off as she doesn't want to be there a little bit. Like she doesn't, I don't think she hates the character or hates the movie. I just feel like she's just like I could be doing something else.

SPEAKER_07 22:54

To me, it seemed like it was more like you know, she was she was playing the part that she thought that she was told the role would be, right?

SPEAKER_14 23:04

It does feel like Ruthie's from a different movie, yes, 100, especially from the way she talks and everything. Because her parents didn't even talk like that. No, they did not, they did not have like deep English accents like that. Did you try?

SPEAKER_07 23:18

Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Did we try, guys? I didn't think that we did.

SPEAKER_14 23:21

Well, she they also didn't talk like yeah, what they she didn't talk like she was from like uh uh what was it, like 14th uh 14th century samurai? Like they didn't talk like that. She does like uh my family, you know, uh have great honor. What the fuck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_07 23:40

Yeah, I was kind of wondering wait, where did this come from?

SPEAKER_08 23:43

Why is that a thing? Why do you care about that?

SPEAKER_14 23:47

Like she's straight up talking, like she these are noble people, like medieval times and shit. I'm like, ma'am.

SPEAKER_08 23:56

Do you know what movie is the right movie?

SPEAKER_06 23:59

Movie short.

SPEAKER_14 24:01

So it wasn't it wasn't for me, it wasn't as much Millie Alcock's performance, it was hers. Yeah, that's fair. I just I didn't connect with uh Cara as much as I did with like Clark, like his struggle to be seen as human and stuff like that. Like I get what she was going through, I totally understand it. It was kind of there, but it's and it might just be that you know she was playing the character as not caring because she can't, because if she does it, like the whole flood will open. But there were times where I felt like she could have been angrier, yeah, or more pissed off at the situation, and instead it she never reaches that, like we never see her pissed, like oh no, like oh no, she's about she's about to you know whoop somebody's ass. It's like this is about to be a badass whooping. It's never it never gets to that level to me. No, it never rises to that point where she actually gets her she actually wants to get some of the rage that she has out on someone. Right.

SPEAKER_07 25:00

No, it's just that one when she flew up and screamed.

SPEAKER_14 25:04

Yeah, yeah, that's it. That was it.

SPEAKER_07 25:06

Oh, so Eve Ridley is from the UK.

SPEAKER_14 25:11

Yes, that makes sense. But they didn't try because they could have gotten literally anyone else from America.

SPEAKER_07 25:19

Well, honestly, they they could have just they could have easily just had the parents have an accent too.

SPEAKER_14 25:24

That too, one or the other.

SPEAKER_07 25:26

Super easy. I right out the gate.

SPEAKER_14 25:28

I don't even care about the accent, it's just the way she talked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. The way she talked was really different from like the way everybody else speaks the common tongue or whatever they call it in the movie. That's very true because of the like if you think about something like Guardians of the Galaxy, if you you if you can speak to common, it is not heavily accent, it's just sounds like American, like American. Well, yeah, and it's it's it's not only that, it's also time specific. It is like right this is modern times, right? Exactly. She's not using like a common parlance to speak, like she's yeah. You hit the nail on the edge, she speaks like a noble person.

SPEAKER_05 26:14

It's like very proper, super, super proper.

SPEAKER_14 26:19

Like, how did Why are you talking like that? Oh, to get back to my example of the core. So the core always carries a very simple message. So for Deadpool and Wolverine, Deadpool wants to be a hero. And for Wolverine, who's a side who is the side character, but also another main character, it's um even if even though you make mistakes, you can still be useful or you can still have a purpose. Oh yeah, it's more of a redemption thing.

SPEAKER_07 26:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 26:48

Um so that's the mistakes part. Like even though you make mistakes, you can still have a purpose, or you can still be a hero. Right, right. With uh Superman's a great example that has like the core. Um you choose who you want to be. Right, right, right. That is the very basic idea of Superman. You choose who you want to be. No matter what anybody tells you, no matter what you're raised to believe, you choose who you want to be. Right. I do not know what the main message is in this movie. It's hard to tell. Simple message. Yeah, it's it's not it's hard to tell what it is. It really is. And it's I feel well, we'll get into it later. But yeah, I feel like there was the movie could have been better served if it was a little bit more serious. Like it's it's not as like the deaths are even kind of kiddie. Yeah, and we'll get into that. Very PG13-ish. Super PG. I honestly close to PG. I would say if this got a PG rating, because uh, I think what Millie flips the bird, and that might have brought it over to PG 13.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

She flips, she flips a couple birds, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 28:02

She flips a couple birds, and yeah, that's a cute little scene. Might bring it over to PG 13. That's about it.

SPEAKER_07 28:08

What even was this rating?

SPEAKER_14 28:10

PG 13? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because this could have either been it was the drinking.

SPEAKER_07 28:17

It was the drinking.

SPEAKER_14 28:18

It was the drinking, yeah. It was the drinking and the birds. Definitely the birds. The birds. I don't think she cursed. No, not really, no.

SPEAKER_07 28:28

Uh didn't Lobo Bastage. I think Lobo said some. He said bastards. Didn't he say tits?

SPEAKER_14 28:37

Yes. No, he said ditz.

SPEAKER_07 28:40

Dits?

SPEAKER_14 28:41

I thought he said tits at first too, but he was calling it a callback to when he was talking about her in the bar. I thought you were just a dit.

SPEAKER_07 28:48

Okay, because dude, I was like, Wow, how did we get to tits?

SPEAKER_14 28:51

I was like, that's dick. And I was like, oh, he said dit. It worked the logo. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:02

Especially because he was on the bike.

SPEAKER_14 29:04

Yeah. But we'll go with this. Yeah. I really did like a click for me did. Okay, he said dit. Got it. Because it did stand out. I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 29:14

Yeah. Where did that even come from? How do we get here?

SPEAKER_14 29:21

But you know, that wouldn't be the first thing I'd say. Like, wow. Moving right along. Yes. Thank you. Our bi weekly cancellation. Right?

SPEAKER_05 29:37

Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_07 29:38

For real. And you know what's bad? Out of the three of us, I didn't think you'd be the one that caused this cancellation all the day in the Yeah, just does that give a fuck.

SPEAKER_06 29:53

So we're done?

SPEAKER_14 29:55

Yeah. Okay. So read along. Ruthie is a character in the uh graphic novel.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Say what? Ruthie is? Okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_14 30:05

Okay. So that makes it looks like they crimped a lot of the things from the graphic novel, but I I would think I'm done gonna go back and read it now and see exactly what the core is.

SPEAKER_11 30:17

Wow. It was considered.

SPEAKER_14 30:28

No, that's what people are saying is that the adaptation really shit on the graphic novel.

SPEAKER_07 30:32

I apparently, because yeah.

SPEAKER_14 30:34

Oh, and it does take, and I I did feel this too. So it took from true grit. It took a lot, like the graphic novel itself took a lot of inspiration from true grit, and I got that from the movie too.

SPEAKER_10 30:46

Yeah, there is there is some true grit there, except sort of Ruthie.

SPEAKER_07 30:49

Ruthie, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 30:50

Um, and that it did kind of remind me of that, but it's not, it's just not as cohesive a story. Yeah. Um, all right, so the adults uh go back in uh the house with Delilah and um Elias. The adults begin to talk and find out that the man is and we find out the the man's name is Krim, not Stanis Fullman, as he eats as he eats a piece of the pie. Yeah, Krim is all that matters.

SPEAKER_07 31:18

Yeah, Krim's all that matters.

SPEAKER_14 31:20

Yeah. Uh Ruthie's parents offer Krim a key to a hut that contains Eliza's life work, the weapons that we're talking about, and they tell Krim to leave. Krim picks up the key and asks to be shown the way to the hut by Delilah. And um Ruthie's brother pops out of his room to surprise Ruthie and inadvertently started with the adults, which kicks off a whole thing. So Krim immediately throws his axe at the boy out of instake and murders him. Yeah. Say what? Because he's trigger-happy as fuck. Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh because and um, let me finish the scene. So Ruthie's parents attempt to fight Krim and was was are easily killed during the fight. Um during the fight, Elias activates an explosive device which destroys the um brigand ship, but the house also catches fire. Ruthie watches all of this, and Krim leaves gleefully after all the killing. We next see Ruthie standing over three graves with the sword on her back. She turns back. She was so fucking fast. Yeah, and then that and you don't feel the deaths. Like it's it's it's like like you said, it's super fucking fast, and it's just like it doesn't it's like moving along, right?

SPEAKER_07 32:42

Basically, yeah, we're gonna fucking moving, guys. It was basically another montage, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 32:49

Basically, it damn near was damn near a murder montage, and he just it's it was really unnecessary. If you really wanted it, wanted to start from there, you should have started from there and let it 100% because we're aware of Supergirl's presence, it's her fucking movie, right?

SPEAKER_07 33:06

Right, you could have done that and then did Supergirl's montage.

SPEAKER_14 33:11

Honestly, cut the montage in total total. I mean, if I'm saying if you want to do the montage, if you want to do the montage short, but we know from Superman that this is what she does, and the thing is that we don't know that it's her birthday until later, until after the scene. And it makes no difference, really. Wait, no, her her birthday makes no difference with within the film at all.

SPEAKER_08 33:32

Not really.

SPEAKER_07 33:34

No, it don't.

SPEAKER_14 33:40

Yeah. But oh yeah, because Clark says something about it, doesn't it? Yeah, it's literally his first part of his message. Yeah, but who gives a fucking thing? It doesn't make any kind of difference.

SPEAKER_11 33:51

She doesn't say that. No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_14 33:53

It would have been it would have been better served had they just come in. If I were to rewrite the movie, you get all of Ruthie's backstory, you let her breathe. And then we cut to a video message of uh Superman talking to Supergirl and saying, I know this is a really dark time for you. I know how your birthday makes you feel. Also, there's that. Yes, Clark never acknowledges how this must feel for her because he had she must have told him the story, or he has to have asked in this time that she's been on Earth.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 34:30

What happened to our planet? Oh, yeah, 100%. He would not be him if he didn't. Right. So he that's never acknowledged in the movie that this is a tough time for her. Exactly. Tougher than normal. Tougher than we don't see her at the end of Superman. She's already sloshed. So we so tougher than normal. And then you cut to a scene where she's like, you don't even need the montage. It would have been better served had she been just you just see all of the stuff strewn around her trailer chip. Yeah. And her just kind of drinking, just taking a slug from like a a whiskey bottle or something like that.

SPEAKER_07 35:11

Right. So like wait. Um when she's explaining her backstory, does she say it's a tough time for her?

SPEAKER_10 35:22

No. She doesn't even really acknowledge it. Yeah, she doesn't really acknowledge it. No.

SPEAKER_07 35:26

Because like I I you guys saying this, I'm like, oh.

SPEAKER_14 35:30

But the only time she mentions her birthday is in the bar scene with Lobo.

SPEAKER_07 35:34

Right. She mentions her birthday in the bar scene with Lobo.

SPEAKER_14 35:36

Well, she's also, um, I won't get to that, but she talks to crypto about it. Um the scene before um she beats uh Ruthie. Um yeah, that's where I keyed in, oh, it's her birthday.

SPEAKER_07 35:52

Well, I knew it was her birthday, but I didn't realize that her birthday was a problem for her.

SPEAKER_14 35:56

Well, the thing is like everybody she knows is dead.

unknown 35:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 36:00

The thing is, like, we're the whole thing.

SPEAKER_07 36:02

I don't have any pure people.

SPEAKER_14 36:04

Right. Well, everybody she knows is dead. This is this is what would have happened in a better movie. That's what we're saying. Right, exactly. Like this is the hypothetical word.

SPEAKER_07 36:15

Oh, that it would have been a part of it. Okay, okay, gotcha. Yeah, I don't remember seeing this. No.

SPEAKER_10 36:22

No. We're saying that it could have been the angle.

SPEAKER_14 36:24

Exactly. It could have been better written, and the birthday angle would have been a bigger part of her story because birthdays are usually time of remembrance and a celebration. Right. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 36:35

Uh, yeah, okay, okay. Right, you're right.

SPEAKER_14 36:38

Because obviously I was all immediately, oh, that that that's a that's a unfortunately I'm a better writer than somebody who got paid millions of dollars to do this, apparently. The thing is, I'll say this. They wanted to I I could tell that they wanted to do um show don't tell, which is fine, but it did not. They didn't.

SPEAKER_13 36:56

I didn't tell you, it doesn't come off. Yeah, it doesn't come off as this is brutal for her. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 37:05

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_14 37:06

They didn't the thing that the thing to that point, they didn't even bother.

unknown 37:10

Right.

SPEAKER_14 37:11

And that's why I'm saying I don't know if that's Millie playing how she played the character or the writing. Because the writing. Yeah, because the thing is, I it's it's it's flat. Like it it's it's it's there's no pathos throughout the entire movie, really. Exactly. They gave her nothing to work with, no, and that's where she feels like she didn't have anything to work with. She didn't have fuck all to work with. She didn't have a path, like you said, she didn't have the pathos from the character that she should have. Right. Yeah. And it's just like uh like me being 23 and uh 10 years after I was sent away from my home, yeah, and I I the only thing she can assume is that everybody's fucking dead. Like I was dying.

SPEAKER_06 37:56

Like she left off, her parents were absolutely about to her dad.

SPEAKER_14 38:01

Oh, her mother already died, yeah. Definitely dying, like in the process of dying. Yeah, so I don't know, man. Like, there's is this leaves a lot to be desired in this movie. It does feel like they kind of just took the graphic model and said, This is enough, and didn't even bother to add any heart or real adaptation to it. Yeah, there's no heart for this movie.

SPEAKER_07 38:27

But I mean, like her mom was dead before she yeah, that's what we're saying.

SPEAKER_14 38:31

Yeah, like her father's actively dying. Like, so every you can assume that everybody she knows is dead. And it again to me, Clark should have acknowledged that. Even if you're doing, you know, uh show don't tell. Even if you're trying to do that, I think Clark would acknowledge that. With that, with what I said, um, it's also show don't tell. Because you're doing that. You're you are telling, but you're also you're not giving like with show don't tell, it is don't get into details. Um with that, using Clark as a catalyst to say to set the tone for the movie itself for her pathos. Yeah, that's show don't tell. Right. I feel like I should have been more depressed watching this movie. Yes. And then watching her get out of it should have been the uplifting moment of the film. And it never happens.

SPEAKER_07 39:32

Yeah, you don't really get pulled in.

SPEAKER_14 39:34

Yeah. No. I could yeah, I clocked Survivor's Guild early on. It's like, okay, maybe Survivor's Guild is the core of the story. It still doesn't feel like it really ratcheted that part in.

SPEAKER_10 39:45

No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_14 39:46

It's just like loosely, loosely fitting there. It's just like kind of hanging off by a little bit. Yeah, it drapes over.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

It's like some Survivor's Guild a little bit, I guess, maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:58

Yeah, because kind of because Clark kind of he sped past the whole uh I have no people. And it's like, well, I mean, you could have people here.

unknown 40:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 40:06

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, it does, yeah. He could I think there's just more that could have been done to really show or and also um hell, even tell us like this this is tough. This is really bad for her. Um, but yeah, I don't know. Uh so next scene is we go over to a bar where Kira is drinking crypto. She drunkenly declares that 23 will be the best year of her life yet. Um, she questions whether she should stay, she should live there and uh make a home there uh because of the red sun, and she actually gets to feel and she talks about that. So that's a telling part.

SPEAKER_08 40:49

Like, yeah, this this has a lot of problems.

SPEAKER_14 40:56

But yeah, um, because we already saw that with the montage. Why are you saying that again? Anyway, um, so Ruthie enters the same bar and demands everyone's attention. Is Crypto also unpost Fox Baghard just started playing a song on? Right. This is where the whole she's some kind of noble thing. Like, I don't get that the sense that her father and mother would do something like this, you know what I mean? Or teach her to do something like this. So, where did she get this from? It feels like the Anigo Montoya thing.

SPEAKER_08 41:31

It's very Anigo Montoya, like Anigo Montoya would do this.

SPEAKER_07 41:35

Very, very that's that's nail on the head, right there, bro.

SPEAKER_14 41:39

Yeah, and speak like this, and it fits within that movie.

SPEAKER_07 41:42

Absolutely. This was print that that was Princess Pride, absolutely 100%.

SPEAKER_14 41:46

But the way she speaks doesn't fit this world, it doesn't. The other thing, even in True Grit, the um the main character, she wasn't proper. She was country, even both both like I'm a fan of the original and the the remake. Um one day I'll watch them. Really good Western movies.

SPEAKER_05 42:11

Um one that's with the racists, um, the other one is so it depends on which flavor well how you're feeling that day.

SPEAKER_14 42:23

But um I'd watch the remake. Uh we watched I remember watching the original as a kid. Um because that was one of our mother's favorite movies. Yeah, of course it was. Um but we the remake, that's what made me watch the remake, and the remake is actually very well done. So like uh Haley Seinfeld, um it's uh Jeff Bridges, yeah. Matt Damon. Um very well done, very well acted, very well directed, yada yada yada. Um but she doesn't talk any more proper than the other characters. She's not she's in the same world as they're in. Yeah, and I feel like Rufie should have been in a mansion somewhere where her family got raided or some shit like that instead of a fucking hut. Yeah. Like that's the way she talks. She talks like she's adopted. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 43:24

I mean, she even had more situational redness than her older brother.

SPEAKER_14 43:27

Yeah. Which is ridiculous, but yeah. Um uh anyway. Uh so Roofy asks for help um with finding Krim and getting her vengeance. Uh, she offers her father's shortest payment and lets them know where her father is. That gets some people to turn around and be like, What really? Oh even though we don't know or care. That and again, that's another tell moment instead of a show. Like it's like they they kind of show like he's a big deal or whatever, but it's they don't say why. Oh Some good swords and a place where we could fucking find we could fucking fly spaceships. Get the fuck out of here. We need a fucking sword.

SPEAKER_08 44:08

What the fuck I need a sword for? Gonna be a laser gun or some shit.

SPEAKER_07 44:11

Yeah, and and and also like you know what? That's going back to a previous point, so never mind.

SPEAKER_14 44:20

Alright, so one of the uh so crypto gives uh Kara looks as if she should help the girl, but Kara refuses. Um says, Not my monkeys, not my ship, not my circus. Uh one of the patrons approaches Ruthie and lets her know uh she's asking for the Apospel to find um the um brigands and fight them. Um another larger patron approaches the two and takes Ruthie's sword and brushes her off. Kara follows the bigger guy and asks that he return the sword. He refuses, and uh a fight ensues. Kara struggles without her abilities due to the red sun until crypto helps by distracting the alien with a bite to the groin.

SPEAKER_07 45:00

That was a distract. Yes, it was not a distraction, that was a distraction. Although she was doing okay, you know, without her powers, she had she has some moxie, she was she definitely has moxie, and that's what's interesting about the character.

SPEAKER_14 45:14

And honestly, that this scene and the scene later with Crim, the very last scene with Krim. That was like, oh, that has my interest. That's an interesting thing to do. Um, and we'll talk about that later. But yeah, this this scene was okay, but then later on, she really gets my interest, and I'm like, Well, that's the end of the fucking movie, though.

SPEAKER_07 45:36

You waited so long, right?

SPEAKER_14 45:38

You waited so long to make me interested in this fucking character, yeah. Um, so uh Kara gives uh Ruthier's sword back and then departs for her ship. The next morning, Crypto wakes up Kara and uh who removes a dart from her leg that she didn't feel the other night because she was toasted. Um she takes a call from Clark as she brushes her teeth. And what was the dart? I think that was like a bone from the guy. Wasn't a bone? It looks like a shot. It's possible, but it didn't seem like he shot anything. I think she just fell on it.

SPEAKER_07 46:13

Yeah, probably was it was it part of the mace?

SPEAKER_14 46:16

It might have been.

SPEAKER_07 46:18

I don't know. It did nothing. No, no, it it had no what was that supposed to tell us?

SPEAKER_14 46:25

Nothing that she was just so drunk she didn't realize that that's just drunk as fuck, like yeah, something we already knew.

SPEAKER_07 46:32

Yeah, it's kind of pointless, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 46:36

Right. I mean the movie, yeah. I guess she's trying and played it for last. Like, oh, she's so drunk she couldn't feel it, but it's like we already knew she was drunk as fuck.

SPEAKER_07 46:46

Like, I really I really forgot about it until you just mentioned it. Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_14 46:51

So Clark expresses to Kara that she he's worried about her and how um she's going to adjust to Earth that she's never there. Um Kara, and this is the part where we talk about Kara saying that she doesn't have any people. Um, even though, and that's what Clark is trying to get her to see is that he's there, um, basically. Um Kara shuts the call off quickly to answer a knock at the door, and we see Ruthie has found her ship. We don't know how. It seemed like it was just a big ass trailer park where people would just park their fucking ships. Uh Ruthie was just going around ordering. I think she probably followed Ruby. I didn't see any other ships though.

SPEAKER_10 47:34

Well, she might have followed her.

SPEAKER_14 47:36

No, they were when Krim comes down, they were at they were going through other ships, they were looking through at other ships.

SPEAKER_07 47:42

Um I missed the shit out of that because they were just walking through a bunch of ships. Yep. I didn't see them going through ships, but I saw the ship.

SPEAKER_11 47:50

They were walking, yeah, exactly. Thank you. They were walking past ships, yes. Okay, so they uh basically trailer park or ships. All right, okay.

SPEAKER_14 47:57

So sometimes we asked if she's going door to door, and that hit me. That struck me at first, too. I was like, why the fuck should she? And then I saw the other ships. Oh, it's a trailer park.

SPEAKER_11 48:07

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_14 48:09

All right, fair enough. So uh Kara cut so as Ruthie's asking for help, Kara cuts her off and um goes to the bathroom as Ruthie enters her ship. So it's like no respect. Um whatsoever. She literally started the same fucking like she saw you yesterday, bro. You did you really the Nigo Mantua thing again?

SPEAKER_06 48:31

Alright. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:33

She's gonna start the whole spiel again. And then they made that a point. Yeah, they made that a gag. Or tried to.

SPEAKER_14 48:40

But it wasn't funny, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_07 48:44

Even Millie's reaction to it, um or Car's reaction to it later on, it still wasn't funny.

SPEAKER_14 48:49

Yeah. And I think and I this might be is I think it's both the for this one, it's both the writing and the actress. She doesn't come off as funny, she's a straight man. Yes. Well, uh for lack of a gender neutral term, straight person. I'll say she's more of a she's more of a straight person. She doesn't she's not whimsical in any way, like she's not funny or whimsical or anything like that. Like when it comes to stuff like that, a gag like that, you need a dumb character, like in uh Up. Up is a perfect example of that. Yeah, yeah. Or you know, this young kid, yes, exactly, because he kept saying the same goddamn and not realizing that it's annoying as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 49:36

So yes, that that's why that that that's funny, but this is she's super serious, super serial, and it's like just I like I get it, like I totally get it. It's just like she it didn't play belongs in a different movie, she just belongs in a different movie, yes, and the Anila Montoya thing, even like it's funny, it's a gag because he's getting cut up and he's like telling this guy prepare to die. It's like, bro, really, yeah, and the guy's like stop saying that.

SPEAKER_03 50:09

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 50:11

Right, the frustration comes out, but yeah, yeah, yeah. It's they yeah, they tried, they really tried this movie. Um, or at least they kind of tried. Alright, so okay, so we got to Ruthie, yeah. We got to Ruthie uh following Kara as they walk away from the ship and they continue to talk. And we see the surviving brigands and Krim approach Kara's ship, uh while uh I keep saying Kara, Kara. Kara's ship.

SPEAKER_07 50:45

I was just gonna let you ride with it.

SPEAKER_14 50:46

Yeah, I'll say Supergirl is easier. Uh so yeah, I would have done that from jump. Fuck you. So they approach Supergirl ship uh while supergirl's back is turned. Um one of the brigands acts about taking Roofy, and Krim remarks that the prison is full. And they go about hijacking um Supergirl ship. Crypto notices what is happening uh while Roofy and Kara are uh well basically while Rufie begs uh Supergirl for help, uh, and Crypto attempts to attack the thieves. Krim, right before boarding, uh Supergirl ship shoots a poisonous start into crypto, and the burgunds take off. Just casual as fuck. Yeah, they were eating or drinking something while you did it.

SPEAKER_07 51:36

Yeah, the same way he killed the kid.

SPEAKER_14 51:38

Yeah, it's just and it's I do like the casual violence of the guy, but he leaves no real uh mark behind that. There's something there, yeah, and it feels like they were trying to go for maybe a Joker-esque type of deal. Almost even maybe a Zaz kind of thing.

SPEAKER_07 52:02

Zaz, yeah, I know it's Zaz.

SPEAKER_14 52:04

More of a Victor Zaz kind of thing where he just likes killing or hurting people, and it's just I don't know if it's just too quick or like it's not it doesn't let the movie does not let anything breathe. I'll put it that way. It doesn't matter. The other thing is that he lacks menace.

SPEAKER_07 52:22

Yes, he's not menacing at the chaotic but not menacing.

SPEAKER_14 52:27

Exactly. Yeah, he's Zaz, but like yeah, but without the menace. Yeah, it's it's just like as you know with him, it's gonna be quick. It doesn't really fucking matter, whatever the fuck.

SPEAKER_07 52:39

Right. Like like you don't really get fear from him, you just like he's just he's just not even a live.

SPEAKER_14 52:51

Uh menacing. Yeah, yeah, it was very okay.

SPEAKER_07 52:56

Yeah, yeah. You didn't you didn't feel anything from him.

SPEAKER_14 53:01

No, and it's just it's weird, it's just like it's the whole movie feels like a nothing burger, like in it cribs from like it crib, it feels like it cribs from some of the best movies and doesn't even bother. Like uh Inglorious Bastards is a great example from the game scene. The very exactly that's exactly what I wanted to uh compare the per that scene Ruthie's scene with um her parents' scene. That was an Inglorious Bastards kind of deal. But the thing is, like in Inglorious Bastards, this is a Nazi, and we know it's a Nazi, and we see people hiding. Yeah, there's no real tension in this movie because they gave him what he wanted immediately, immediately. There was no if ands about the shit, and I can see if he was like if they if this was about Roofy and then him taking Roofy, that would have made more sense, yes, versus the sword, yeah. Yeah, versus well, the weapons we'll say is that because it wasn't just one sword, it was a whole whatchall, workshop full of them or whatever. Which also you don't see, by the way, it's just the house.

SPEAKER_07 54:11

But I thought when he said the uh my life's work, I thought it was just that one sword.

SPEAKER_13 54:17

No, it was a whole yeah, it was a whole work. He had a thought.

SPEAKER_07 54:23

Yeah, he had a cash, but I thought like that one sword was supposed to be his life's work. That one sword was the was the one that rule them all.

SPEAKER_14 54:31

Not as long, not as far as I could tell. I believe it was just like that sword was great because he made it. It wasn't just his the his greatest work or anything like that.

SPEAKER_07 54:40

Nah, so that's what I thought they were going with that sword. Because she says it was his family sword, yeah like if that's the one.

SPEAKER_11 54:52

No, which is wild.

SPEAKER_07 54:53

I mean, they said it's like the strongest smell or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_08 54:56

Nah, that's some bullshit. I really like I must have played out of that shit.

SPEAKER_07 55:01

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he really he he played up the sword.

SPEAKER_08 55:04

Yeah, who did?

SPEAKER_14 55:06

Yeah, the father. Yeah, when he was talking to uh what's the face, yeah. It was like it's like well, whatever, man. They fuck a swords, they don't do anything. And the thing is, I think he's I think he was referring to the whole cache as his life for at least that's what I thought.

SPEAKER_07 55:24

That's exactly I thought he was talking about that one sword.

SPEAKER_14 55:26

No, he was referring to the caches. Because the thing is we don't see the sword until after the fact, yeah. So they were talking about the cat, then uh, but he had come uh crimm had come for the whole cast, the whole shebang. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's it's a big deal because one, it's the only sword that she can win, like she can't she didn't go like weapon to up, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I think any sword he made was like awesome or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 55:55

But I mean, she made mention of that one sword was like the family sword. That was I mean, like that was like the end all be all of the sword. Oh no, that's the way she that's the way she played it up.

SPEAKER_14 56:07

The way the thing is that it's important because her father made it, right? Nothing to do with whether or not it was the best sword, it was just a sword that he made. When they turned around when she said his name, had she not said his name, and this was just a fuck ass, this was just the you know, I'll give the sword to you, and they'd be like, Okay, who gives a shit? Oh, Elias made it? That's that shit.

SPEAKER_07 56:31

Like well, I'm not saying like people knew about the sword, but you know, yeah, like they just knew that Elias, like she said, like the family sword that Elias made.

SPEAKER_14 56:43

I think it was more or less that it's the sword that the family had. It was maybe a sword that would get passed down eventually. I don't think it was anything more special than that. Uh yeah, uh yeah, I'll give you that. I it's just it to me, it was just like who made it to figure it. Like that's that's to me that was like it was like the family gun. It's something you keep in the fucking house. It doesn't make a difference.

SPEAKER_07 57:10

I mean, if he was a sword make if he was a master sword maker, then the one that he made for the family would be better than our us. That that's how I was looking at that.

SPEAKER_06 57:17

Technically, sure.

SPEAKER_11 57:19

Sure.

SPEAKER_14 57:20

I guess it really didn't do fuck all.

SPEAKER_07 57:28

They didn't do anything for making it seem like it was more than it is. I will say that, but that's what I thought they were trying to go with. Because it didn't do shit, they she didn't have us do shit with this.

SPEAKER_14 57:39

The fact that we have to read this much into it just means that they didn't do their job. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 57:45

This is true, very true. Because they yeah, we I guess read a lot into it when when it was presented to me, that's what I thought was gonna happen, and then nothing happened with the sword, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 57:57

Right.

SPEAKER_07 57:58

So that that's so I'm I'm giving the reactions of what I thought it was leading up to.

SPEAKER_11 58:02

Sure. Yeah, don't drop it. Oh, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 58:09

I feel like it's more of a point of like how how much they drop the ball there.

SPEAKER_06 58:12

Well, yeah. Definitely, definitely, but uh, you know, don't give them more brain cells than that because it's not worth damn.

SPEAKER_14 58:24

So uh yeah, crypto gets uh shot with a poison dart. Um and like I said, they're really trying to make you care about this dog that obviously does not exist in real life, yes. And it's one movie, okay. Yeah, okay, I could I can get that, but like two, come on, bro.

SPEAKER_07 58:49

And Superman Lex knocked his ass or something like that, hmm? Then like Lex like punch him or something, like knock him the fuck out or something.

SPEAKER_14 58:56

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_07 58:58

Then because Lex was the one that put him in danger last time, right?

SPEAKER_14 59:01

No, he was captured. Lex captured him.

SPEAKER_07 59:04

So Lex put him in danger. Okay, technically, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_14 59:07

So it's like I put him in danger, is the danger the difference there. So yeah, Lex Lex captured him, and that's why he was sidelined for the most of the movie, and then they do it again here, yeah. And just like, okay, crypto's too much of a problem to write around, basically, is what they're saying. Exactly. I mean, he absolutely was because he he he's a problem, but at the same time, like I it would have been a better movie had they focused on the brigand's victims instead of what Carol wanted. And I think that it would have made the movie more serious, and also it's okay to put crypto all to the side for now because of this very serious thing that we have to go take care of. Yeah, he's not a serious dog, he's gonna be a problem. It's okay to say, hey, this dog is a problem because he's not trained well right now. The other thing that would have been interesting is if, like, again, we're giving this more brain cells than the fucking writers did. Um if what you had mentioned before, they had come for Ruthie instead of she had to fight for her life to escape. Meanwhile, they died protecting her. That's a completely different thing. That's why you have to bring in the whole girl. She wants to free these girls that are captured. Right. And she goes, and that's how she goes about her journey. And then she's willing to give up the sword, the last thing that her family actually owned. Right. Um, and you know, stuff like that. He's like, you can still have him be the sword maker on the side. Right. It's not as important as they make it out to be, like, to begin with.

unknown 1:01:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:01:09

Yeah. And I agree with that wholeheartedly. It would have been a far better movie had you concentrated on what the friggin' were doing.

unknown 1:01:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_14 1:01:19

Because this is bad. And the thing is, somebody compared this movie, I was reading it, compared it to um Mad Max Fury Road, and I'm like, Tribs for me is a better hit.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:35

Right, exactly. How do you guys feel about Mad Max Fury Road?

SPEAKER_14 1:01:38

I like Mad Max Fury Road.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:39

I actually enjoyed that movie.

SPEAKER_14 1:01:41

I remember it being more contentious in our group, but no, I I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:47

I mean, I didn't think it was like the end all be all. Yeah, but it was entertaining.

SPEAKER_14 1:01:54

Sure. Some people it was definitely there were some parts that was definitely overright, I think. Kind of. But the the main but it's a complete movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_14 1:02:04

You know what I mean? Like it's it's a it's a good movie to me, anyway. And I thought that and that's because we kept focused on one thing. These women are in danger, and we have to get them away. And that was the main thing, and that's that's what the protagonist, the protagonist wanted to be the I'm sorry, the antagonist wanted to be against that. That's it. That's all you needed for that movie, and it was good, and it was great. And then even in some circles, they call it it's a it's it was an instant classic in some circles. Yes, which is fair. I can I can see that because it's simple, but it's also it's a beautiful, beautifully made movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:42

Keep it simple, stupid.

SPEAKER_14 1:02:43

Keep it simple, stupid. And this one, it just like uh if you're gonna do Mad Max, if you're gonna crib notes for Mad Max Hero, do the whole fucking thing. Yeah, just do it all out, okay? Well suit and throw in Supergirl, boom, you're done, you finished. Yeah, okay, it's a carbon copy of fucking Mad Max Hero. Okay, it's good to copy good shit, all right?

SPEAKER_08 1:03:10

Okay, the fuck.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

Don't be fucking pedantic about this shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:15

No, don't be don't be fucking cowards about it.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:17

Okay, you're crippling sure. Like they mention it. It's like, oh, they they're taking girls, and it's like, okay, that's a thing that's happening.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:23

No, no, no, no, no. No, this is a big deal. Yeah, they really don't act like this is a big fucking deal.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:30

This is Rob. This motherfucking thing. This is like uh an everyday, like it to them, it is an everyday occurrence, but they're also not acting like there's any urgency behind this situation whatsoever. And it kind of reminds me of like apothecary diaries, because like I don't know if you guys have seen it, but the main character gets basically sold into slavery, and the way they play it is just like, but the thing is like it's like during the Edo period, it's like this is just a thing that fucking happened. You went outside, if you was in the wrong fucking district in Japan, that was your ass. Right, exactly. And but so they play it as this is a thing that happens all the time. And me and my wife watching it, we're like, yo, what the fuck? Yeah, it was a bigger deal than what it is, but at the same time, that time period it makes sense. And do you know what movie actually put urgency on this issue situation? What the furious, yes, uh, uh, I think even though it was an everyday occurrence, it happened to the wrong motherfucker. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:44

Some taken, yeah, yes, similar to taken.

SPEAKER_14 1:04:48

Yeah, yeah. But um, yeah, and they there are so the and the thing is like the furious does take notes from taken, but the thing is this is a common thing, and it's of course you want to fight to get the you know these your loved ones back, so it's this is kind of one of those stories as old as times kind of a father's duty type of story, yes. And the thing is, like, okay, like for for Supergirl, don't be a fucking coward about it. Yeah, like lean into that shit. I the thing is like Superman was so vibey and fun and kind of colorful. You want I wanted when I heard that they had taken um this uh graph, and I was like, okay, this is gonna be a little bit darker, and I'm with that. Yes, yeah, like I'm okay with that because she did lose her whole entire fucking family. Yeah, let's dig into that and see what the what comes out of that. Nope, didn't get that, didn't get that. And just like that's what disappoints me about the film. Like, there this should have been darker than Superman. It 100% should have been darker than Superman. Superman is supposed to be about hope and Superman. girl is supposed to be at this point in this story about trauma.

unknown 1:06:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:04

And what's kind of sad is like that's one of the that's one of the arguments I've heard of people who didn't like Superman is that it would it was too it was it wasn't dark enough for them.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:13

It shouldn't have been it's not supposed to be superman never supposed to have been dark.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:19

That's Batman job.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:20

Exactly. Y'all made that shit up in your heads and then and then Scott and then Zach Steiner was like I'm gonna put what I made up in my head on film and then y'all ate that shit up. No. Superman's supposed to be bright and colorful and happy you want dark go watch Batman.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:37

Exactly so and like like we said like Supergirl I expected to see a little more darkness because she didn't grow up the way Clark did.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:45

Exactly. Even from her introduction in Superman you can tell she's going through exactly exactly and then one question.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:56

So the origin of Kara is different than I remember.

SPEAKER_14 1:07:02

It changes it varies depending on the series.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:07

Or what do you remember that's what I thought I I I remember she I thought she got sent off the same time he did but ended up or before he did and got ended and got stuck in some kind of wormhole or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_14 1:07:18

That that is um I believe they I don't know if that's been in the comics but that's definitely what was in the adventures of Superman.

unknown 1:07:26

Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:27

In the cartoon okay so that's what it was I'm remembering from the cartoon then. Okay. Yeah because I'm like um what where's this little mini non-Krypton?

SPEAKER_14 1:07:35

It's very much it very much varies. And I was actually assuming that planet was actually though the non-Krypton was Kandor because he's also another territories from Kandor. Exactly and they have the and they have the city and in like for example they have the city of Kandor and uh Clark called Kandor in like miniaturized like uh came through like when Kandor got cut off from Krypton Kranak came through miniaturized it and then Clark ends up with it.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:09

I remember that depending on which mythos we're talking about because there's so many at this point yeah and I was like wait this this is comic canon isn't it because I just don't remember this yeah someone and when they called another name I was like that's fucking Candor Argo City I don't know why they call it Argo City instead of Candor I don't know if they're using Candor for something else I think wait wasn't there a Candor show in the works or did it happen?

SPEAKER_14 1:08:42

Not with the DCU but I think there was a spin-off of uh there was a spin there was a Clark one I think like Candor series there was a there was a series I remember that I thought it was called Krypton though yes there was a there was a Krypton series but there was also I believe something along the lines of a Candor being talked about there was like maybe talks but I'm not completely sure got it okay so back to the movie um after Krypto is shot we see um Ruthie uh we're that far back yeah so it's like we see Ruthie super girl and supergirl in a healer's hut and the healer um tells uh supergirl that uh tells supergirl about the poison and that Krim is the only one with the antidote for some fucking reason. Yeah and then keeps it on them.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:42

As an interrogation they use it as an interrogation thing like they use the poison and then you know give you the antidote and shit.

SPEAKER_14 1:09:48

Yeah. But like I guess it's not as common of a poison because like you can make an antidote you know right handcuff keys you know what I mean like should be the antidote somewhere out there other than one crim but okay yeah maybe maybe it's just like a brand yeah it does seem like he he uh experiments with poisons he likes yeah okay poisons and that does come up later yeah yeah it does kind of come up later um so uh supergirl was set on her mission now she's going she plans on um going to find crime and take the antidote from him um but ruffy kind of argues with her is saying that she wants her vengeance my thing is also like why she never gives a really good reason on why she shouldn't be the only thing I can assume and again this is me putting more brain cells into this movie than it deserves is that she wanted to she wants maybe to not live up to but I don't know it's a it feels like a Clarkism it feels like a Clark thing to right she she explains it sort of again later later correctly correct she definitely later she definitely explains it later but at the same time it's like it's still it's kind of bullshit one and also like if she had gone down the path for vengeance which she could it's not like she could find vengeance you know fucking krypton blew up and they did their best with what happened with Argo City like nobody could have you know you who's you gonna fight kryptonite like it would have it would have it would have landed way better had she had some kind of revenge story herself.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:44

Exactly 100% because I was like all right I understand why probably right sort of and then it came out later I'm like okay cool but like are you gonna reveal that you have some kind of vengeance thing that we don't know about nah that and that is one thing that bothers me about the ending of the movie.

SPEAKER_14 1:12:02

But we'll get to that but yeah so um so Kara charters a uh intergal well she believes she talks Ruthie in the stain behind crypto and then she she charters an intergalactic bus because I guess that's a fucking thing. Yeah we when that happened I was like um was a bus striver was the bus navigator Seth Rogan I thought but there's nothing on the cast list about it because it sounded like Seth all fucking damn like that's fucking Seth um so as Kara settled in on the bus she finds that Ruthie has followed her and is having issues with the locals on the bus or the the other species on the bus. Uh so should put her back down in front of the wrong alien and um uh called the alien mother whore basically it's weird to get mad about but okay if the thing doesn't even look like you why would you assume it speaks related whatever anyway or not you know knows what that would mean anyway um Kara reluctantly helps uh Ruthie and chastises her for following and then the bus is stopped and boarded by Scalarian Raiders which is a basically a gang of tech pirates um a fight ensues after the Raiders take Kara's watch and Ruthie's sword uh during the fight Kara is locked in a room and hijacked space watch oh yeah the watch I mean all right uh whatever anyway like the significance of it doesn't come back come in until later in the movie anyway well I mean it was the fact that you know it it's it was her uh timekeeping of how long before it's her ticking clock yeah yeah yes literally she has a ticking clock on her also gives us a chance to have a flashback which again we can see coming from our way of who the watch was who who owned the watch originally your father I mean you kind of fucking knew that she don't have shit so everything she had had to come from somewhere else yeah well not only I wouldn't even call it a flashback she just tells her like tells Ruthie like no part of her backstory no they have the flashback later she has a flashback real quick oh yeah at the bus she had a flashback I believe so no she just looks she doesn't have a flashback till later yeah exactly she has a flashback when she's telling Ruthie the story again I don't call it a flashback because she's just telling a story but alright well she's telling a story and then for us it's a flashback sure yeah maybe I was expecting one and didn't get it maybe that's possible we're expecting there were it could have been a flash right there they could have had a quick flash of somebody handing her this watch or something there's a part in um in this uh the scene I'm about to talk about actually where it could have been a flashback but um so she hijacks the space suit to get closer to the yellow sun so that she can fight the tech pirates uh she is jettisoned before she's able to put the helmet on and but luckily she floats close enough to the yellow sun and she continues the fight and defeats the pirates by removing their ship's engine yeah that was fucking hilarious though that was fun but um uh for that I thought there's gonna be a flashback there when she's outside of the airlock and she's like kind of floating yeah that would have made that would have been a good spot for a flashback I think both because she's looking at the watch yeah I mean I'm not saying it's a bad spot for a flashback no no no I mean they could have had like two small flashes and then exactly we got we got our full meal later. Right yeah right I think those would have been definitely because that would have also let us know that this is on her mind a lot. Yes like the during this time on her birthday exactly like for that flash when she's floating why didn't we see her mother being carried right into the coffin and then because the thing is it the movie never gives us any questions like I like a movie when I sit down and I start watching I'm like okay so where's this going? Okay who's this why is this happening the movie never gives us any questions to start off with answers everything out of me it literally answers everything just this is this guy he's a bad guy this is super girl she's fucked up no questions I can understand skipping stuff in something like Superman that is a well known property that's been done and done and done and done and done right but super girl has not been as widely done no or for yeah fair and not only that it there are so many different variations of Supergirl in the comics themselves so give us some breadcrumbs to which one you're going for. Exactly because she's gone through Silver Age uh golden age and she her backstory has changed over the years to do those iterations hence why I was confused very much so just to make sense yeah Argo today got me too I was like what the fuck she's from Gandor the fuck yeah so what's Argo right the fuck is this fucking place why why do we go Greek? Why do we go Greek it doesn't make sense but whatever I yeah I I still don't understand why I changed it but alright it's Stambo's kind of say it's not once so yeah so the intergalactic bus lands on another planet and after getting some literal shit snacks because it was they washed the thing shitting literally washed the thing that I was about to say like when we get to this part I need to pull the the setup for this joke was horrible. Yeah yeah horrible setup for this joke like it would have been funnier if we had if we just saw the little pellets on the ground and then the thing and we kind of saw the thing but maybe it's it's snack food or whatever the fuck humans can also injust it.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:09

No it's literally shitting and then you take that for a snack and I'm like why yeah and then and then and then like you you chew a couple of this tastes like shit I'm like that's this was a no shit that was like no fucking no you just fall at that shit. You worked too hard for that joke and it did not land at all not at all because your setup was horrible.

SPEAKER_14 1:18:35

Yeah like why would you why would that even be a snack like okay or if she starts picking at the thing and like one of the the store owners like and then just stops is like never mind and then she eats it and then she's like this tastes like shit and then that would have made more sense but like nobody stops her nobody even tries it's just like yeah grab a handful of this they're selling they're selling their snacks they're selling snacks right and it's like well this tastes like shit it's like well no duh you just saw this thing take a shit like what do you like an extensive one too like you literally waited for it to finish before you started scooping up the fucking like that motherfucker was going through it struggle it's the only funny part of life struggle the the little small joke that I had earlier when she like passed out when when old girl was on the fucking ship and she forgot she was there. Yeah yeah that was funnier than this setup right shit this tastes like shit oh there was there was there was the cuss word shit everybody there was the PG13 right there yeah waste right uh so while getting her snacks Kara talks to the um bus driver who suggests that she talked to the pirates they captured in order to find more information about the brigands uh Kara interrogates them and learns that the brigands are on the planet filky the uh artist for the comic book um the movie's based on yep and she also finds out that the brigands kidnap girls so that uh they can be used to help them continue the all-male race so they're rapists space rapists and serial killers and and as soon as they said that part of my oh so that's what they're assholes right well I mean the thing is like we could talk Krim and he's a dick but like and he you know just kill him mercilessly but yeah like they're feared because of this thing that they're known to do like take young women and make them into their quote unquote brides because they're fucking space rapists like that should be the leading fucking thing yeah like not poisoning a fucking dog or stealing a you know or killing people with a fucking sword or swords or whatever the fuck the other thing if the parents knew this why the fuck didn't they tell Ruthie to hide hide she wasn't really out in the open she was down the hall she was down she was down the hall but it was a dark hall even still it doesn't matter because the thing is but were they gonna stop him him from going down there? I don't think so but I mean they were probably gonna lead him to a different way and she was well he was gonna lead them out lead him out but at the same time again why was there not a scene where it's like whatever you fucking do hide there's space rapists around because the thing is like had he just turned around literally because she was all up in the hallway dude has she had he just turned around and saw her and was just like oh well this is what I want and the other thing is he did her after he killed the killed the kid and just walk away yeah he didn't care but again the prisons were full um because that matters to space exactly until later yeah the prisons were full until later later right like we didn't care because the prisons were full but at some point we cared the prisons are still full right yeah it's called that prison full line that should have been the full breadth of the movie stopping these space rap like obviously to me that's that's the heart of the movie that's the bread and butter that's where you get your audience because everybody wants to see motherfuckers like this go down easy that that should that should have been what that should have been what pulled her in versus the damn dog. 100% not even that I would say yes to a certain extent she could still be the reluctant hero when it comes to that but yes I the thing is I I don't think crypto is necessary at this one all I think that it would have been funnier had this been the time when um when Clark was watching crypto yeah yes and that way crypto's off planet we don't have to deal with another him putting getting put in danger again because he would have been put in danger that first time any fucking way and not only that but it could have also been like you know he's bouncing around and fucking shit up is like when are you gonna get your dog man like you could have been calling for that and that would have been funnier and made more sense like crypto doesn't need to be there right now like you could have fond memories of him the whole nine yards but crypto's not the heart of the fucking movie and you tried to make him the heart of the movie and crypto also doesn't fucking exist like we know that you're trying to make him the heart and so it's like the dog is never in danger because there's no dog. Yeah it's really tough to get that sal.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:04

Yeah especially when you're like seeing the dog and it's a CGI fucking dog oh that's what you mean okay that's I'm like every time you kept saying the crypto's not there I'm like huh? Because he's not the not yeah I I forgot that I didn't understand what you're talking about the CGI part of it.

SPEAKER_14 1:24:20

Yeah I mean for us for humans like of course we relate to our pets and stuff like that. If it was a real dog that would have made sense but you're trying to get me to give a fuck about this dog this badass dog twice and it's CGI you're doing a lot you're doing a lot and that's and that's the whole goal for Kara is is that and it's like it's doing a lot of heavy lifting here when you got space rapists. Yeah like right there doing a lot of heavy lifting with this fictional ass dog that doesn't fucking exist in any way shape or form doesn't even look remotely like a real dog and but you got space rapists right there. Yeah I wouldn't give a fuck more about that yeah but so also space pedophiles but yeah yeah space pedals space rapists they gotta go yeah that's what I said to my wife you gotta go like I didn't see why stop yeah right I didn't see why she was struggling so hard to convince Ruthie not to do this I'm like nah you gotta go regardless you gotta drop you gotta drop because you even dull bodies it though yeah you gotta drop these motherfuckers they're these motherfuckers gotta go you set up these pieces of shit and you barely use them yeah yeah they should have been a bigger problem they should have been a bigger problem and absolutely I like okay I get it crypto's your path and you know you love him and you know he's been with you and you raised him and stuff like that okay I get that but space rapists though yeah don't don't set this don't set me up to care about this dog when there's a bigger problem in the space rapist you know I mean like you're you're gonna pull me into wanting to see the space rapists get got so right also with that whole thing she could have played up the fact that her father was a great storm maker and said they have riches that's what got Rooster Cogburn off his ass in true grit. Exactly exactly um the main character was lying about it it still motivated him so why didn't they just do something along those lines with Supergirl not necessarily money to find something else find some other motivation but I'm but it's still in keeping with the plot of the movie right so for for to like her um idea of her family that sword was the money right but to not to anybody else nobody they cared about it they cared about who made it they did care about y'all are splitting fucking goddamn skins with this shit like you splitting hairs with this shit like fair fact that he made the sword is what made it valuable sure yes but which made it valuable to her which made it valuable to them that's why old boys like I'm I'm I'm out this bitch with this motherfucker sword fuck you yeah that's fair but even still it didn't motivate all right but even if it was money she didn't care but as shown but as Shawn was saying that was was what motivated the main character in True Grit. Yeah Chicago and True Grit so Ruthie has no gives Kara no motivation not even the not even the victims of the rape give yeah she didn't even bring that up we found out later She says cool. Like when they tell her what's when the when the uh the tech pirates tell her what's going on, she's like, Okay, that's a thing now. Like it's kind of that's the way she says it's like okay, that's a thing now, and it's like you know, but she doesn't get enraged, she doesn't get incensed, she doesn't like this.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:20

Yeah, she's still about her dog, right? It's still about fucking crypto, the whole fucking thing, and it's like that was a good point for her to like like you said, absolutely show some like genuine emotion about some shit. Exactly. The fuck you mean, little girls?

SPEAKER_14 1:28:35

Exactly. What do you mean, girls? Like I think I think it would have helped a little like it didn't need to, but it would have helped a little bit more had she gone through a similar experience on Argo. I don't it would have been redundant. The thing is, like, she's super she's super girl, or even if you want to do super woman, this is a thing that shouldn't be happening to people, period. Period. But also, it's it's hearing about this thing in general, even if you haven't been through it as a woman would hit you differently or should hit you differently. Like, this could have been me.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:15

Like, she cared enough to help old girl get her sword back, but she didn't care that there's space rapists.

SPEAKER_14 1:29:22

100%. Like, I I guess just like, well, I'm going to fight Krim any fucking way, so you know I might as well go ahead and you know save some people and shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:30

You know what I mean? Some women who don't know how to go through some bullshit.

SPEAKER_14 1:29:34

Yeah, the motivation between the dichotomy of her not wanting Krim to die because the antidote right wears it on him, he wears it on him. There's no hide it, he doesn't hide it. It's not like she needs to pump up for answers.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:50

Easily kill him and grab this.

SPEAKER_14 1:29:52

Exactly. 100%.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:53

There was no point. Cut his head off and take that shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:58

No, there's no attention there. And like old boy even brings it up that you know we haven't even got to yet in the story.

unknown 1:30:07

We we probably should keep going.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:09

Yeah, we're gonna keep going.

SPEAKER_14 1:30:10

Um, so I'm looking at the time here, right? Um, so they uh get to Bill Key uh finds out the brigands are spacers. So after obtaining a bubble suit for Ruthie, the two land on um the plate of Billky and Carol and Ruthie talk about Earth and Clark before entering another bar this time to ask questions. Things go sideways, and another fight ensues. And after the fight, the bar owners Bomar and Merrick introduce themselves and Kara asks if they know any brigands, which brings in another person looking for brigands. Oh bo. He's he's the only one who wants part. Yeah, he's the only one who wants to be there. Yes, and he's enjoying the fuck out of it. Listen, Jason Momoa had wanted this role from the beginning.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:01

And the people wanted him to have this role from the fucking beginning, and it works well.

SPEAKER_14 1:31:06

I want to watch a Lobo movie. I would love to watch it. I'll take a Lobo series, I'll take a Lobo movie related.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:13

And and here's why I feel about Lobo. Like, I enjoyed him in the movie. I felt like he didn't need to be, though.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:20

No, he definitely didn't need to be.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:22

He he unfortunately was the draw. Yes, right, and the draw should have been Supergirl, but he was the draw. Right.

SPEAKER_14 1:31:29

And fucking Momoa, like right, and the thing is the role he was meant to play in a subpar ass movie. Poor bastard. But then it is uh Aquaman was subpar as fuck too. So well, and also the thing is like when he act when he acts against Roofy, it's like there's a big difference. Like poor kid. Like, why would you do that? He because he oozes charisma as soon as he as soon as he hits the screen, as soon as you see him, you don't care what Roofy has to say.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:03

And Rufus from that scram of the hand.

SPEAKER_14 1:32:06

But in all honesty, it works because it's a Pirates of the Caribbean thing. Had this been a lobo movie, yeah, it would have worked way better.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:19

And here's a funny little tidbit. There was somebody earlier in that scene, my wife's like, Oh, is that Momoa? Like, no, but he is in this movie, right? And then the hand came down. I'm like, there's Momoa.

SPEAKER_14 1:32:36

Exactly. And the fact that he's already well known to uh Kara, it's it it's a good set building, it's a good world building piece. I like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:47

Yeah, because she's like, oh fuck.

SPEAKER_14 1:32:49

Yeah. Um, so we see that um and then here comes the Anigo Montoya again. Yep, yeah, she says the same thing. She walks right up to him and says the same fucking thing. And he's like, I don't give a fuck. Yeah. So yeah, Lobo interrogates Bomar and Merrick about uh brigands, um, a special one named Drom. Uh Theona Denai, knowing the brigands, Ruthie approaches Lobo against Kara's warning, um, and um things start to go left because he doesn't give a shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:18

At all.

SPEAKER_14 1:33:18

At all. And um, so as things uh look like they're about to go uh sideways. Uh again, Kara intercedes and plays the obvious, the oblivious birthday girl space hopper. Um, Lobo leaves the bar, and the bar owners tell Kara that um they have a friend who can lead them to the brigands.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:37

Which, I mean, we all knew what was about to happen, right?

SPEAKER_14 1:33:40

Yeah, it was definitely a setup.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:41

We we we just felt it, right?

SPEAKER_14 1:33:43

We just all knew, right? Yeah, obvious setup is obvious.

unknown 1:33:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_14 1:33:47

Um sat there, I was like, why the fuck would you drink that?

SPEAKER_07 1:33:51

Man, listen, I literally said, Why are you drinking first? You never drink first, you watch them drink, then you decide if you was drinking, he just wasn't drinking from the team. He did not pick it up, right? Wow, yeah, he put his hand around it and watched it drink.

unknown 1:34:13

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_14 1:34:14

Well, uh so uh Bom uh Bomar and Mary, uh so we go to Bomar and Merrick's place with um Kara and Rufie. I mean slightly, um, but yeah, you guys definitely jumped at it. Um, so and uh Kara and Ruthie talk more about Clark than Earth, and um this is the part where I wanted to get to. So Kara says basically that Clark is naive, or at least that he has you know too kind of a heart. And it's like saying rose-colored glasses, right, and then you go drink some shit that some strangers poured for you.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:51

I'm saying I'm more of a realist. I see what the world really is.

SPEAKER_14 1:34:54

Right, but you didn't see that coming. Yang yang not only that, but like after so we do the whole this is where we get the whole Argo City flashback. Right. And um uh because Cara tells uh uh Ruth it basically that she's not alone and having you know a shitty past or shitty shit stuff happen to her. She ended up being alone. Right. So and we're not gonna go into the whole thing. So we we see Kara raised on Argo City, like um you know, what's up, David Crumholtz?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:28

That's about it.

SPEAKER_14 1:35:29

Right. Her father uh everybody like we said, everybody gets kryptonite poisoning, um, and she gets sent away. Yes. Um against her will. Um yeah, because she was willing to die with yeah, she was willing to die with them, with her parents. Um and then uh Car also explains that Grief um can make you do things, and she doesn't basically doesn't want to see Ruthie become a killer. Um and she doesn't know this girl, so what does it matter? Right. So this is what we were talking about before Kara checks in on Bomar and uh Merrick's friend, and they ask her to sit and serve her a drink, and Merrick uh looks outside to see the incoming um brigand ship. Uh they reveal that the brigands took their daughter. So this is the part that's dumb as fuck. So you know this they're space rapists, you and they tell you that they took uh their daughter, and then she still asks, Well, what is this why you guys why'd you guys do this, or why are you trying to take me prisoner or whatever? Or why you d why are you trying to poison me? And they're like, I mean, to for we're trying to get a daughter back. We just gave it to you asking a question. What the fuck? We just told you they have our daughter. Why else will we give you up to them to get our daughter back? Do you not know how plot works?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:02

Like, and then like you point out beforehand she made some kind of reference to shit about happening in the movie style or whatever. Like, come on now, put it together.

SPEAKER_14 1:37:13

Exactly. Like that this uh this is definitely a tell. Don't show it's like anybody could have put that together. You don't have to tell us, like, why would you ask that? That's that was always the lines in screw in uh fucking filming.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:26

Why didn't you just say you're literally gonna be like, they're gonna give you your daughter back? They're not, and you've been done with it.

SPEAKER_14 1:37:33

Right. That would have been more interesting, but yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:38

This movie.

SPEAKER_14 1:37:42

Yeah, so Kara drinks milk in order to coat her stomach to counteract the poison, um, or try to counteract the poison that she's been um uh that's she's ingested. Um, by the way, this is apparently drawing compar she's drawing comparisons to Homelander because even though Homelander's obsessed with milk, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:04

What? Yeah, who who did who did that?

SPEAKER_14 1:38:07

Don't ask. Just stupid people online. Yeah, and it's like I don't even know how you get there.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:13

Why did literally had to go with milk because being poisoned, not obsessed with milk. This is the first time we see milk.

SPEAKER_14 1:38:21

Right. And the last time, and the last time it came from that thing that was sitting on the uh no, no, it's just no because she she's grew I guess she's harsh with the the interrogation of the space pirates. That's something like Homelander would do, quote unquote, and it's like but they're uh space pirates and they tried to kill her.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:41

Like seriously and Homelander would have cut something off, right versus like you guys are it's it's a leap. Just say you don't like the movie and give intelligent reasons why, don't make up dumbass comparisons, and like and like like the new homelander because she drinks milk and she interrogates people, and like are we at level one existed way before Homelander was a fucking thought?

SPEAKER_14 1:39:14

Yeah, 100%. Are we at level zero with uh media literacy? Have you reached the bottom of the barrel? Yes, where I level zero media literacy, sir.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:23

And and and it's also the fact that you know real nerds are kind of like nerd knowledge is being lost, yeah, yeah, definitely. Because you've got new nerds posing as nerds coming in. Oh, yeah, you know, people who just kind of watch nerd shit but don't know what they ain't been in the trenches, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:39:44

Or at the very least, start to look it up, like what right, because of a real nerd is gonna research, yes, you're gonna go down the rabbit hole or at least have seen something like I knew what this movie was based off of because of what I watched before, of videos that I watched and stuff like that. And I've been meaning to read it, and I will be honest, I haven't read it yet, so but I'm not gonna sit there and pretend like I fucking did.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:08

Yeah, but we still have we we grew up having a basis of knowledge of Supergirl. Right, right.

SPEAKER_14 1:40:14

We might not have known this story of Supergirl, but we knew there was multiple stories of Supergirl, and different mediums, and not necessarily even the comics, there's been don't have been done multiple different times.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:26

TV shows. I mean we didn't come into this blind, and if we did come into this blind being an actual nerd, we would have researched before we watched it. Yeah, because I mean there was comic movies that came out that I didn't I wasn't really familiar with the comic character, and I fucking looked it up before I watched the shit just to see you know a basis of what I should be looking for, what should be expected of. You can't just come in as motherfuckers that haven't watched the boys thinking like you're a nerd. Like, come on now, come down, calm down, calm down. Don't don't speak on this. You ain't you ain't you ain't vetted. Shut up.

SPEAKER_14 1:41:06

So the brigands touch down with a few of their stolen victims. Um Krim finds Kara and uh and Bomar and Merrick's house, and a fight begins. Um some of the victims are able to escape, including Bomar and Merrick's daughter Sarna. Uh Lobo also joins the fight after finding Drom. Uh Krim breaks off from the fight to find Zarna, who runs off. And um Ruthie follows Krim and Kara saves as Kara saves the victims.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:37

Um I had issues with this fight.

SPEAKER_14 1:41:42

A lot of the fights A lot of the fights are life luster.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:46

Yes. And it's like they move, they they try to pack too much going on, and they move too fast, and it's like, all right, so this is the first chance we get to see a lobo doing some work, and we don't really see that.

SPEAKER_14 1:41:58

Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:58

We see him in the background.

SPEAKER_14 1:42:03

Right. Yeah, you should have definitely been hooked on people with that hook.

unknown 1:42:06

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:42:07

He sliced somebody, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:10

And every every like violent thing didn't happen on screen.

SPEAKER_14 1:42:14

No, yeah, and well, the thing also was when the the fight with um at at um the bar previously, just now, or um you didn't see anything, like you just see you just heard a lot of commotion, right? You just see uh what's Ruthie cowering behind a table, and yeah, there's just a whole bunch of shit going on. It's just like I don't know who did the choreography for this movie, bro, but y'all gotta step this shit up. It really did. I think this was just rushed all around. Like I don't think they had planned for a super girl movie to come out, and honestly, you know, with the fighting, you know, this is another reason why Lobo shouldn't have been in this movie for PG 13.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:58

You should not have like Lobo is a hard R.

SPEAKER_14 1:43:01

Yeah, yeah, definitely. If you really wanted to let loose, he is uh he can be compared to Marvel's Wolverine.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:09

Yes, yeah, and that's kind of what I felt from him. Like a superpower version of Wolverine, like even in the cartoons, that's kind of what I felt from yeah, right.

SPEAKER_14 1:43:17

Um and the cartoons are cartoons, of course they're gonna be a certain level, but you can do whatever the fuck you want.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:24

There should have been limbs flying, yeah. Something like the worst thing he did was at the end, yeah. And that was really quick too. I didn't even realize how quick that was. He he bagged that up quick.

unknown 1:43:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_14 1:43:37

And I will say this so the Guardians of the Galaxy movies are PG 13. Yeah, right. They're they're they're not R at all, but the action is better, and it flows better and it looks better. Like it was directed by James Gunn, who knows how to frame action well. That's true. It does feel like it was trying to Superman. Yes. It does feel like it was trying to do James Gunn, but it's like James Gunn light. It's like we don't need to. It's the same thing that happened with the EU where the movies after that were super, or the movies after Man's Fale were dark. You don't need to do that. You don't need to go down the same path, or yeah. Every movie should be its own flavor of things, right? You don't have to crib James Gunn.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:21

Or you can't be James Gunn. Like you're going to fail. Like, right. There's people who don't like James Gunn's humor, and you you're you're gonna do worse than that. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_14 1:44:36

Go ahead, Benny. Um also like it didn't need this movie didn't need to be fight heavy.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:44

It didn't, it didn't really. You could have had like maybe one or two fights, and right.

SPEAKER_14 1:44:48

The main fight should have been like her versus the space rapists, like the brigands. Like that should have been the main thing, but like everything, every place she walks into, there's a fucking fight. Yeah, and it's like a role, yeah. And it's like, okay, it's kind of cute the first time, but like this time it's distracting because then like you're fighting the pirates, you're fighting the guys in the bar, you're fighting the brigands, and you're fighting like okay, man. Right. And if you're not gonna they did something interesting with the tech pirates with the the um the base them basically vamping from place to place, or you know, basically doing like a nightcrawler type of deal. But um, other than that, it's like it's in the cramped space, it doesn't really matter, like you can't really do too much with that. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:34

If you were out there it was kind of interesting the way they did it, like the places that you ended up in the cramped space. I mean, that was kind of uh innovative, I wanna at the most. It was it was it was challenging and they kind of did that, but um yeah, there was too many fights. I just realized how many fights there were.

SPEAKER_14 1:45:56

Yeah, and I wasn't going into this expected fights, like I said, I was going into this expecting her to deal with her trauma. Yeah, she doesn't. Also, a lot of this is like Red Sun, like she didn't she's deep powered most of the time. So it's like, why are we getting into like she should be avoiding fights for the most part? Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:17

Well, I think they were trying to you know go like they were trying to even though she doesn't have the powers, yeah. And and honestly, the first bar fight showed that.

SPEAKER_14 1:46:27

Yes, that's what you needed to do, yeah. Right. You don't need more of that, but yeah. So uh let's see. And at the same time, when she's sober, she should be trying to avoid fights. Yeah unless like one the brigand ship where that fight is unavoidable. But um so Kara stays the victims. Uh Rufy nearly beats Kara to the punch and attempts to kill Krim. Um, but Kara stops her and um disallows Krim to get away. But before boarding his ship, Krim slaughters uh Walmart, Merrick, and Sarna. And one thing that bothers me is that what the fuck? This man does have superpowers. We did see him take on fucking tank with Monarchy.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:19

He received it and dropped through that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:47:22

Yeah. What the actual fuck did Ruthie expect to do with that sword? I don't know. The man of fighting.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:33

Even if she got the drop on him, it wouldn't no. It wouldn't have worked out the way she wanted it to.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:40

I mean, we don't know what this sword is actually supposed to do.

SPEAKER_14 1:47:42

So nothing right. Well it's uh well the thing is like some somebody uses it very effectively at the end. Yeah. So like and it doesn't look like she puts a lot of strength into it. No, but if she's also a fucking super a fucking superhero, like she's a kryptonian with yellow sunlight, then she didn't mean much. I mean, yeah, but I mean, I don't know. Like the thing is car fit thought that she could kill Krim with that sword. Cara was also blitzed out of her fucking mind most of the time. No, I'm talking about at I'm talking about at the end. Yeah, true. I mean, she would have had to beg her not to. So if he was invincible, quote unquote, then I'm not gonna say he's invincible. I wasn't saying he's invincible. I'm just gonna say it was would have been tough. Exactly. He'd be harder to fucking kill. No matter what.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:30

Should be, but uh, she had the drop. She thought she had she thought she had the uh uh the sneak attack. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:38

It wasn't gonna go the way she wanted it to. Yeah, but we the thing is we never see evidence of that. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_14 1:48:46

And the thing is, like a carotid is still a karate and normally.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:52

Chop a head off, chop a head off.

SPEAKER_14 1:48:54

Right, like but I'm also gonna say, like, he's a guy that kind of came up fighting. Like, the reason why they got were able to like he was as helpless as well, he just got fucking speed smashed. That's true by a Kryptonian. Yeah, Kryptonian's gonna have every bone body broken, but this was him just walking casually having no issues whatsoever.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:18

She thought she had a job.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:19

I mean, yeah, she's my name is Neil Montelia.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:24

Like she's not gonna stop her. No.

SPEAKER_14 1:49:28

I would dumb ass try.

unknown 1:49:30

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_14 1:49:31

That'd have been interesting. See what the fuck happens. So um after Krim gets away, Roofy confronts Kara uh for not letting her kill Krim. Uh Kara repeats that killing Krim won't make things better, but Roofy doesn't believe her. Uh after they argue, Kara flies to space and uh succumbs to her emotions, letting out an audible scream. Um she lands back on the planet with one tear. She leans back on the planet with for new purpose. Finds a our patron uh and to bring her to the brigands. Uh and they live leave her on the brigands planet Bariton.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:10

Um I like the little thing, you gotta wear this, and then they show us X-ray vision, bro. Uh uh Sean.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_14 1:50:22

Yeah, 10 minutes.

unknown 1:50:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_14 1:50:25

Um, so a bar page uh let's see. Uh she ends up on Baron, which what we find out later has a oh well not later, but soon has a green and yellow sun. Um Kara succumbs to the green sun sickness, and a figure begins to drag her away while Kara passes the house. She remembers first meeting Clark after landing on Earth. And after some talking, Catakara looking out on Metropolis from an apartment window, and she obviously looks out of place and lost.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:56

Um crypto's tearing shit up.

SPEAKER_14 1:50:58

And crypto's tearing shit up as usual. My thing is this to me, Clark would have brought her to Kansas. It would have been a better move. Like, why wouldn't you bring her to Kansas where he grew up with loving parents who understand that she's Kryptonian?

SPEAKER_07 1:51:18

I guess to keep her close to him, probably.

SPEAKER_14 1:51:22

Yeah, I guess. I because like uh in the media that we've seen and stuff like that, anytime Superman gets a straight Kryptonian somewhere, he brings them to Kansas.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:37

Yeah, then that's a fault.

SPEAKER_14 1:51:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, definitely something like it doesn't do a great job of continuing the idea or the pathos of the characters within that James Gone setup. Like again, right needed time, and the person that wrote it didn't see feels like it didn't have a lot of time. Yeah, because the thing is, like, if you're gonna do that, then like you didn't even have to pay like Clark's parents again could literally just see her him bringing her to the farm, and that would have made sense, right? Exactly. That would have made sense. Not only that, but you can't not have a col a connection with the Kent's. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:52:20

Like even if they had just done like a quick a quick scene of him bringing her to the to the kents and then back to this apartment building.

SPEAKER_14 1:52:30

The thing is, is that had she ever gone to the Kents, that dog would have been much better behaved.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:36

Yeah, there's no way. No, because mom and Pa kind of not dealing with that shit.

SPEAKER_14 1:52:42

But I'll it would I think it would have made more her trauma more interesting because the Kints wouldn't have even been able to get through to her. That's feasible, you know what I mean? Like that would have made like you you can't the kints can't get through to yeah, this is this is big trauma, yeah. That you know, apple pie can't fix. Apple pie? Yeah, it's Kansas, yeah. Um Kansas, yeah. So when Carol wakes up, uh we see we find that Ruthie was the one who dragged her to the cave uh to get her away from the green sun. Yeah, bullshit. But she also dragged her entire family out of that burning house and buried them by herself with rocks. It's a strong 13-year-old. It's a strong 13-year-old. Uh so uh Kara asks for water, and Ruthie attempts to get in and she finds that um brigands are bathing in this uh pond or whatever the fuck you want to call it. And um Oh, yeah, yeah, that body of water. Body of water, yeah. And one of them sneaks up behind her and knocks her out, useless. Um didn't hear shit. So later we see Roofy and a cell aboard the brigand ship and find that her neighbor is Lobo. Um, I didn't see Lobo get captured or why he would have been captured. I was like, bruh, how did he I I went back and looked at the never show him get captured. The thing is that this could have been, again, uh Pirates of the Caribbean situation where Jack would allow himself to get captured for this purpose, just to get closer to his prey.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:35

And that's what I was hoping for.

SPEAKER_14 1:54:36

Yeah. Yeah, not so much. In a way, he didn't because he he says you know it all worked out exactly how I planned it.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:54:47

That's a show, that's a tall show. That's a total show. Because the thing is like we see it end up in Jack's favor. Exactly. And he doesn't even have to say anything. Exactly. Like when he has to, we see things work out in his favor, and he's just like, oh, nice. Pretty much a poor man's version of everything. Yeah, definitely. Poorly written version of everything.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:14

Everything that's ever been existing.

SPEAKER_14 1:55:16

Yeah. Right. Because you're right, it would have been a lot smoother. Things would have mousetrapped their way into Jack's favor like they always do.

SPEAKER_11 1:55:24

Right.

SPEAKER_14 1:55:25

But you know he's gotta they gotta tell instead of shouting. Yeah, exactly. Um, so let's see. Um Lobo loses to um him waiting for his moment, and Ruthie explains her quest to an uncaring Lobo. Again, like, okay. Like, they gave this girl like the same lines over and over again, bro. So yeah, yeah, basically because she's like, Oh, I'm on this quest, I gotta kill Krim. Well, and Lobo's like, Oh, is there a bonnie on the side? She's like, I'm not in it for the money, kill my family, vengeance, blah blah blah. We get it.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:10

I killed the money, I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_14 1:56:12

Right. We get it at this point. Like, why are you saying anything again, lady? So so she then compares Lobo to Krem, which displeases um Lobo because he does have a code. Um uh Krem attempts to get Kara's location from Rufie, she spits in his face, and he gives the order that she is to die before the end of the deck. Um, we see Kara in the cave worrying about crypto, and then uh we go back to the prison of Ruthie, who tricks a guard uh guard and attacks him um in order to escape. She reluctantly frees Lobo, finds where the other brides, quote unquote, are being kept, and gets her sword back.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:55

This is the most work she's done the entire movie.

SPEAKER_14 1:56:57

Literally, this is all she's done. Yeah, useless throughout the entire fucking movie. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:03

What are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:57:04

What are we doing?

SPEAKER_14 1:57:06

Um, so the yellow sun rises just before Cars comes to her green sun poisoning, which I was like, oh well that problem fixed it fuck itself.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:14

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So we just had to wait this out.

SPEAKER_14 1:57:17

Um yeah, exactly. She just had to she had to feel you know bad for a little while, and then all of a sudden the sun comes up. Because we know that the sun has the play. We literally get there's a card that says um green and yellow sun, or solar is green and yellow. So it's like we know that the yellow sun's gonna come up at some point. Absolutely. So it's like I don't even know why we're rushing shit, she'll be fine. Like, there's no there's a need to do you got into the cave.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:45

Cool, you got her out of the sun. All right, all right, wait it out now. Just gotta sweat it out.

SPEAKER_14 1:57:54

And then that's uh that's another thing. Like the movie just answers for you, doesn't even give you time to even think about how she's gonna get us. Oh, yellow sun, um, so uh Ruthie makes her way to the top of the brigade ship and is confronted by Krim, who takes her sword in again and is about to uh use it to kill her when uh Kara shows up donning her super girl suit. Um, but there's been no pathos, like there's her like we only get scenes of her mother saying, Be good.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:26

And it's like I don't remember Kara again, I don't remember her getting to the top of the ship.

SPEAKER_14 1:58:33

Oh um uh Ruthie? Yeah, yeah. She just literally is there's sun shines on cars, she gets she starts to heal, and then we see Ruthie climb to the top of the ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like all of a sudden she's just fucking there. What did I you know?

SPEAKER_07 1:58:55

I I remember fighting on the ship, I remember that.

SPEAKER_14 1:59:00

Yeah. So we do get a scene where Clark explained that the suit means that to other people that they're the good guys, and it's like yeah, geez, yeah, yellow sun rises. Uh, just before Cars comes to the uh green sun poisoning. Uh she's seen wearing the uh supergirl suit, and again, the suit just means okay. Well, so Clark says this means suit means that we're the good guys, so she's darning it because her mother told her to be good, but it's like she still hasn't overcome her trauma.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:38

Yeah, wait, how does she get the suit again?

SPEAKER_14 1:59:40

Um, Ruthie took it one when they were on Billky, I think it was. Yeah, that's what she says.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:48

Oh, that's right, okay.

SPEAKER_14 1:59:49

Yeah, yeah. So so at first she's like, it's just a suit, Ruthie doesn't do shit, right? It's like but she puts it on because she's trying to be good for her mother, I guess. And it's just like, but again, like I said, there's there's she doesn't deal with her trauma, it's still there, yeah. Like she's still grieving, and it's okay that she's still grieving, she should still be saying that this this turn is absolutely unearned, they didn't earn this at all, they just kind of just did whatever the fuck it said, you know, called it a day.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:24

Oh, that's the unearned part, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:00:26

It's unearned as hell, absolutely right. Because it's like all of a sudden now she's a good guy. It's like, well, she wasn't a bad guy to begin with, she just didn't give a fuck. But I don't see why she gives a fuck now, yeah, especially since Roofy has to remind her that the brides are a thing later, right?

SPEAKER_08 2:00:45

Right, yeah, like you're fighting space rapists, lady, keep it together, keep it together, focus.

SPEAKER_14 2:00:54

Jesus. Like, it's just it's an afterthought. It's like it really shouldn't have been. That should be the main fucking driving force for her. Is this these pigs, these fucking disgusting animals take girls and rape them?

SPEAKER_07 2:01:12

Like, what the what was my like oh shit?

SPEAKER_06 2:01:16

Yeah, well, I understand why she didn't kill them, but when she was fully powered, she probably should have been just murdering them all.

SPEAKER_14 2:01:24

Like, there was no point. I'd have been fine with it. Yeah, absolutely. They're not forgivable. Like, they're not redeemable for it. Redeemable for that. Yeah, just because Grim is dead doesn't mean the rest of them aren't gonna keep doing what they're doing. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:36

That's their life.

SPEAKER_14 2:01:38

Although their ship is destroyed, so now they're stranded on um uh what was it? Um Bartran or whatever the fuck you called it. For now, Barrington. For now, sure. So I don't know if they'll come back or whatever, but like space rapists don't deserve to live. Yeah, just gonna say that because they're just gonna keep doing it, and yeah, you just might as well wipe that whole fucking race out because fuck them, yeah. But anyway, so um to uh cara fights the brigands, um, and Krim reveals that he has kryptonite darts. Why where did he get them from? Where did he get kryptonite from? Why would he think to need these when everybody when most people assume that rightly that krypton blew the fuck up and the kryptonians are dead? Go fuck yourself.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:37

Although he did clock she's kryptonian a while, like earlier in the movie.

SPEAKER_14 2:02:41

He did, and we still get no reason why, though. Like he definitely clocks that she's kryptonian, and even talks about the sun poisoning, the green sun poisoning, and stuff like that. But he is what was gonna happen to her.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:51

Yeah, that was right, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:02:53

But it's like, how the fuck do you know that?

SPEAKER_07 2:02:56

But you know what? That's one thing about kryptonite. Everybody just happens to have it.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:01

Apparently fucking lean, every time you just know how it works, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:05

Every every random motherfucker, when it's down to the line, hey, I got kryptonite, bitch. Like wait, wait, wait, huh? Where? What? Why? How that did bother me in the Superman movies like the fucking um Dean Kane fucking series, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:03:25

Yeah, everybody.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:26

Wait a minute. Everybody for no fucking reason.

SPEAKER_14 2:03:29

But I will say I'll say this.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:31

Like Small V did a better job with that.

SPEAKER_14 2:03:34

Yeah, and not only that, but like again, why would you think that you would need that? Like, who's who are you making this for? Like, I can see if they brought up Earth at any point. They don't even talk about Earth. Yeah, it's not even on their radar. Like, I could see or I can see if he if they clashed with Superman before for whatever reason, he's like, get the fuck out of here, get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:02

Right. I can see if that was brought up before.

SPEAKER_14 2:04:06

That's why I think this there's there's gotta either this just badly written or there's gotta be stuff missing that we didn't know because there's no reason because like for Krim to know about kryptonite or be prepared for a Kryptonian to show up or anything like that. And I will say this he said he worked on those special just for her. We don't know where he got the kryptonite from. We don't know, and this is where he tinks mental poisons and stuff like that. So that's where we get that idea from. Like But still, where did you like if he just made it up? Fine, if he just made the the the situation up. Cool, I guess. But also, where the fuck did you get the kryptonite, my guy?

SPEAKER_07 2:04:50

Like, because and like when did you have time to grab it?

SPEAKER_14 2:04:53

Like, yeah, it would have made more sense if he coated her with like a poison gas or something like that. Okay, if that's what you do, because the thing is um Lobo says that the top of the cages were poisoned, right? And um the her poisoning crypt uh, I mean, um, crypto getting poisoned, stuff like that. Poison is his thing. They lean on it.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:10

Okay, he made it into a gas super hard, like right, exactly.

SPEAKER_14 2:05:14

They leaned on it super hard, so you could just make it into a gas because kryptonia still gotta fucking breathe. Yeah, right, like why am I doing the heavy lifter for this movie? Like, you don't have to do kryptonite. Yeah, we all are, we all are doing the heavy lifter for this fucking movie. Like, why would you just that makes no fucking sense for him to just be like, oh yeah, I got kryptonite darts, so fuck this bitch. I'm gonna use it on earth. Why? Like, I could see if he was saying I was saving this for maybe your cousin, I don't know, or something like that. Or so you know, I was saving this for the Kryptonian on Earth. Yeah, that would have made sense. Okay, I can rock with that, that makes sense. We get no mention of Earth whatsoever from them. The only people that talk about Earth is uh Roofy and um Kara. So why the fuck would he have that? Who gives a shit?

SPEAKER_03 2:06:06

I guess myself.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:10

I feel like there's gonna be a recurring thing where Krypton just shows the fuck up out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:14

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:16

It's like, don't do that. Why would you do that? Don't do that.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:20

At least make it plausible.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:21

How at least make it plausible, right?

SPEAKER_14 2:06:24

At least give me a give me. I'm easy to please give me one hour. Saving minutes for the kryptonia on earth, but you'll do. Yeah, right. I'm done.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:33

Done. Done. It wraps it up right there.

SPEAKER_14 2:06:36

I don't need no more. We're good. Okay, it would make sense that tales of uh superpower beings from Earth would reach out into the retreat of ours, especially if you have returns.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:48

Yeah, just but mention it.

SPEAKER_14 2:06:50

That's right.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:51

Mention it once.

SPEAKER_14 2:06:51

Because again, cryptonians pull the fuck up. Right.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:55

Half a sentence.

SPEAKER_14 2:06:56

Half a sentence, I'd have been fine. There would have been no question from me. That's all you needed. But just apparently he made them just for her after knowing about her for five five minutes.

unknown 2:07:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:10

And what he shot her like what, three, four times?

SPEAKER_14 2:07:12

Three times. Three, it might have been four. I think it was four. Yeah. She had one in her in her stomach, like for a good chunk of it. I'm like, bitch, please get rid of that.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:22

Yeah, like she tossed out like what the rest of them just had that one.

SPEAKER_14 2:07:25

Yeah. Like, what the fuck are we doing?

SPEAKER_07 2:07:27

And like, and you're like getting it. Like, right. You're getting your shit back and it's still in you? How?

SPEAKER_14 2:07:35

So, yeah. Kryptonite is gonna work weird, dude. Um because it wasn't in the last Superman movie, was it? It was. Oh, it was, okay. Yeah, when um they captured it or when they added something like that. Oh no, no, Lex didn't have it. Um made it.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:51

Right, right, right, right, right, right. But Lex knew about it.

SPEAKER_14 2:07:54

Yeah, he knew about it, but yeah, um And see, that's enough. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:59

That that was enough. I have a guy that can create anything.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:02

Yeah. The only thing that bothered me is how they learned about kryptonite because you know, it where the fuck did it come from in this world, in this version?

SPEAKER_14 2:08:13

Sure. Yeah, explaining kryptonite is always hard unless you have like a meteor shower. Yeah, I'll take a meteor shower. Although it was the only one that live action that did it perfectly.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:08:25

Nobody else explained no other movie or anything like that explains how the fuck kryptonite ended up here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:32

You said Smallville?

SPEAKER_11 2:08:33

Smallville, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:36

So that's they had time, they had time to uh put that together.

unknown 2:08:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:42

And then everybody else had the blueprint, but hey, whatever. Whatever.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:47

Fuck it.

SPEAKER_11 2:08:47

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_14 2:08:49

You just know about kryptonite. Yep. So um uh Kara is about to gargain his perforator with the kryptonite darts, and then um before um Brahm is actually the one that's behind her and is about to uh uh behead her at Krim's uh behest, but Lobo intervenes, kills Brahm, takes his head, drops uh Krim overboard, and causes general chaos on the ship by throwing grenades, which brings the whole thing down. That was fun. So during during the chaos, Kara is able to uh take the Criponite Daris out of herself except for one.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:29

Um and just left it and it's still moving.

SPEAKER_14 2:09:31

Yeah, but she ends up taking it out later. But um, Ruthie and Krim are able to get off the falling ship. Um and after some fighting, uh Kara, what was the whole point in that scene? Which well dropping him, or what do you mean? Yes.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:47

Uh Lobo was like, hey, she should be.

SPEAKER_14 2:09:50

Well, he said the girl reserved deserved a revenge, but he didn't know that the girl was down there.

unknown 2:09:56

True.

SPEAKER_14 2:09:57

He didn't know Ruthie was down there, so I guess he was just gonna kill him.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:01

Yeah, he was gonna drop me, like, man, fuck this guy.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:04

Which is fine by me.

SPEAKER_14 2:10:06

That's fine. But then you have this entire scene with criminal, like that's what I thought he did it for, was because he knew Ruthie was down there, so he was just like, I'm just gonna put him together. There's no evidence to say to suggest that he knew that Ruth was there, or that he would catch that rope anyway.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:24

Yeah, I thought he was just gonna drop his ass.

SPEAKER_14 2:10:26

So yeah, exactly. So I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:30

Yeah, I thought it was just fuck this guy.

SPEAKER_14 2:10:32

Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:33

Why are we trying to keep this alive? Like possible.

SPEAKER_14 2:10:36

It we're thinking about this more than the writer did, so yeah. Space rapists are right there.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:43

I mean it was bad as like you watched this before this came out.

SPEAKER_14 2:10:48

Yeah, right. You knew what this was.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:51

Just all this was going.

SPEAKER_14 2:10:52

I'd have been like, they had dailies too. They get dailies. Right. The higher ups get dailies on how this is all gone.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:00

Like, James, what were you doing?

SPEAKER_14 2:11:05

Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:08

What was you doing? Right.

SPEAKER_14 2:11:10

What are you guys doing? So, um, yeah. They could have at least read the fucking script before they that's what I would have done. Like, you give me carte blanche to create whatever I want to, I'm actually still gonna make sure proofread the shit before it comes out, man. That's what killed DCU. That fucking reading, yeah, yeah. Which sucks. Quality control, man. Definitely needs the quality control because I if we're putting holes in this shit, we're not even professionals on on writing or anything like that.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:47

Anybody fans, and we're fans, we're not haters, we're fans.

SPEAKER_14 2:11:51

Yeah, like I said, I wanted to like this movie. I thought it was gonna go in a darker version than what Superman would have went in, and I would have been all for it. That I'd have loved to explore that trauma that she was going through and see her come out of it. That would have made sense, but I they just didn't want to go that way. And it's like I don't want her like weeping in a corner every five seconds or anything like that. But I would like to at least explore how she feels about this and how she got gets out of it. It's just we don't get that. Some people need my help. So here we go. One thing I didn't like is that uh it's there were some things in uh Superman was like, okay, heat vision doing all that, but he vision doing all that. Yeah. Where she blasted a fucking hole through the goddamn ship. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 2:12:52

Wait, was that during the the Skalaran fight?

SPEAKER_14 2:12:55

Or no, this was toward the end when she does do like a super boost um during the Skalar fight too. Right. Literally backs down a laser gun.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:13:04

Right. Right, right, right. But that hole that she left inside the ship when she was freeing the the captives, I was like, God damn, is this like Cyclops? The fuck? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:20

We do an optic blast now? What the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_14 2:13:22

I could see if she kind of turned her, tilted her head and it made a hole, you know, that way.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:28

Like, I mean, if you kind of just like move your eyes around. Right.

SPEAKER_14 2:13:32

Exactly. But no, she was full on optic blast at that shit.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:35

Oh.

SPEAKER_14 2:13:36

Yeah, she optic blasts a whole fun a whole side into the uh whatchal the ship.

SPEAKER_11 2:13:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:42

I'm I might have to watch it again at some point.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:48

Yeah. Why the fuck could it do all this?

SPEAKER_07 2:13:50

Yeah, he vision didn't be didn't become a fucking blast.

SPEAKER_11 2:13:54

It was no easily concentrated. Yeah. It's weird.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:01

Like making it a laser, okay. A blast.

unknown 2:14:04

Nah.

SPEAKER_14 2:14:05

Yeah, full it was full-on blast. She like 100% optic blast that shit like Cyclops.

unknown 2:14:10

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:16

Did we read the source material?

SPEAKER_14 2:14:19

Apparently not. So, um let's see. After some fighting, Kara is able to break off from the brigands and rescues Rufie before she gets uh buried by debris that ended up burying Krim. Uh Rufy warns uh Kara about the victims still trapped on the brigand ship.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:37

And this is where we get to see him with the big ass off the ship.

SPEAKER_14 2:14:40

Yeah. Um as Kara rescues them, Rufy is confronted by Krim and the rest of the brigands. Um Kara rescues the group by blasting a hole into the ship, and she then throws Krim around and uh heads back to Rufy to wreck the rest of the brigands. In all honesty, I thought Ruthie was gonna put in some kind of work, maybe get caught. So the thing the thing is that they do slow-mo and shit like that where they're kind of fighting back to back, but Ruthie's doing fuck off. Ruthie throws a bucket at a guy, and then throws a sword at another guy. I'm sorry. She throws a helmet at one guy to distract him, Carl, then uppercuts the motherfucker to the moon, and then she throws a sword at one guy who's coming at them. And it didn't even hit him! No, it's the bike. It's the bike.

SPEAKER_10 2:15:40

So then uh Carl then you know puts the boots to his ass.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:44

And she goes to pick up the sword for him!

SPEAKER_10 2:15:46

No, uh Ruthie goes to pick up the sword. All right, right, right. Ruthie runs and goes to pick up the sword because that right after that she goes to try to kill Crumb.

SPEAKER_14 2:15:56

This would have been a perfect time to show that she's been practicing or her like and that also makes me think she would have never gotten the drop on Krim.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:07

Yeah, no, she does she does fuck all the fuck all.

SPEAKER_14 2:16:13

I could see if she had some fighting problems where she took a couple of them out, and then Krim being as powerful as he is, you know, gets a drop on her, just punches her a little bit and just knocks her out.

SPEAKER_06 2:16:23

Cool, fine.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:25

That makes sense, right? That one makes sense.

SPEAKER_14 2:16:28

She does fuck all the entire time.

SPEAKER_13 2:16:32

Yeah, so so they make it look like she's doing shit, yes, but not, but if you pay attention, she's not doing shit.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:39

How are you gonna need a montoya and not be at least as good as a new montoya?

SPEAKER_13 2:16:43

Exactly.

SPEAKER_14 2:16:44

Like, what was how was you gonna yeah, it like she's finally face to face with Krim, and she does nothing, nothing, not a damn thing to him, not a damn thing, not even close, yep, wait, it's useless as Lobo said, useless.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:05

Yep, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:17:06

He's I agree, yeah. I agree the throughout the whole movie. I was like, with you, Lobo, yeah, useless, absolutely fucking useless.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:19

She had one shining moment, yep. And that was it, and it's like if you were able to do that, how come you couldn't do more in the fight?

SPEAKER_14 2:17:29

Yeah. Oh, you talk about choking out the guard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was her only shining moment, and yeah, she didn't do. I figured she was gonna do like a her corona or some shit or something like that. Nah, bro. Nah, damn.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:43

I like and so I was waiting the whole movie for her to use this sword. Like, I thought she was about to be like I couldn't even get it out before we started laughing. God damn.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:58

I just like to like sword. Why you gotta laugh that on the brother?

SPEAKER_07 2:18:19

It's like the way she telling that shit, and you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like the last fight like the last fight, she was just like gonna like go like Ginzu one a motherfucker, like the sword of fucking omens and some shit like that.

SPEAKER_10 2:18:31

The way they played up a sword. No one cares.

SPEAKER_14 2:18:37

She literally goes to get the fucking sword, yeah, like in the in when she's in the jail, doesn't do anything else, just looks at the prisoner's like, oh, they're there, and gets the fucking sword and dips, and the she does nothing with it.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:51

My gosh, just looked at them and then worried about them later.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:58

Yep. Foul.

unknown 2:19:02

Foul.

SPEAKER_05 2:19:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_14 2:19:04

Yeah, uh I guess I fell asleep for a good reason. It wasn't you didn't miss much. No. Apparently, like and I I felt bad.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:15

I was like, you know what? I missed.

SPEAKER_06 2:19:17

I need to need to watch this again.

SPEAKER_14 2:19:24

So yeah, um, Ruthie then approaches Krim and is ready to kill him, but Kara besieges her to choose another way. As Lobo looks on, he uh parked kind of like Lobo came back.

unknown 2:19:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:19:36

Lobo was there the whole time, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:38

I thought he took off after the grenades, bro.

SPEAKER_14 2:19:40

Apparently the shit the thing doesn't fly.

unknown 2:19:44

I don't know.

SPEAKER_14 2:19:44

I don't know what's up with that. Uh I think it might fly, but he can't whistle it to him. So whatever. I don't think that matters.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:52

I think he was just in watching the spike.

SPEAKER_14 2:19:54

Yeah, but no, he was just watching the show anyway. I thought well, what I'm saying is I thought he was gonna fly away and shit like that. But yeah. That's what I thought too, but it I think he was he was interested to see how this was gonna resolve itself. Yeah, he yeah, so Lobo does come back and um he's watching um what's going on with um Ruthie, and he's kind of cheering her on. Um, but they can't hear her her her him because he's far away.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:22

Yeah, he's like, oh sure. He dropped the bombs and was out because he had his payday.

SPEAKER_14 2:20:26

Yeah, he was gone. No, he kind of shows back up and kind of cheers Roofy on to kill Krim. Um, so Ruthie does end up hitting Kara and Kara and um decides not to kill Krim. And uh Kara tells Ruthie to walk away after before she changes her mind, which I'm gonna change her mind. I know what the fuck you're gonna do. Right, and after Rufy is far enough, Car kills Krim with the sword and uh takes crypto's answer to your time. Didn't need him to be alive at all. Um, so Lobo drives off on his bike. Uh was it a big pill at least?

SPEAKER_06 2:21:12

Kind of.

SPEAKER_14 2:21:14

She stabs him in the gut, says that was for crypto, and then stabs him in the throat and says that was for the girl. What she did to the girl.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:20

Oh, remember seeing parts of that. I think I'll blink it. I think I'll blink. Yeah, I was in and out. Uh yeah. I remember that. I remember that. That was for crypto.

SPEAKER_14 2:21:33

She's like, this is what you did for to Sarna. And uh well, it said that girl, so it could have also been Roofy. I took it a minute, Roofy. I forgot about Sarna.

SPEAKER_11 2:21:42

Yeah, it could have been right. Could have been right. I don't fucking know.

unknown 2:21:46

Pick one.

SPEAKER_11 2:21:47

Yeah, pick one. He's a bastard.

SPEAKER_14 2:21:50

There was no blood. There was no blood.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:52

Yeah, did they even show him? Because I just remember seeing it.

SPEAKER_14 2:21:57

They don't show him bleeding.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:58

I just remember seeing her face. I don't know.

SPEAKER_14 2:21:59

No, they show him get stabbed and he's just kind of stabbed next to the tra the uh his uh voice modulator thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:07

That was it.

SPEAKER_14 2:22:10

I don't know why they that's such a thing. I really don't. Seems a little a little abeless, honestly. Like look at this motherfucker, you got that shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:22

Like okay.

SPEAKER_14 2:22:26

Like, why are we paying attention to it if this is useless? Like, it doesn't do shit except allow him to talk. Like, okay, like I I feel like the I don't know, unless it's in the comic book somewhere, I feel like the the writer was like, people with this thing, or she's had a bad experience with people with a voice modulator.

SPEAKER_09 2:22:48

That's what I feel like. I feel like this was kind of a get back.

SPEAKER_14 2:22:52

Like, fuck you, you voice modulated bitch. I mean, if he deserves it, he deserves it. But like, whoever it was like that got her in her feelings about voice modulated or some shit. But like this, it was useless. Like, there was no reason to even highlight it. It didn't make him more mincer. So I I that's why I feel like she some at some point somebody with a voice modulated some shit to her. She was scared, so I don't know. Anyway, but back to the money itself. It goes to show, like, okay, this is Cara's moment, and she's but and I like it shows a darkness to her, but yeah, where did that come from exactly?

SPEAKER_07 2:23:44

There's like a shadow, right? It's not really even a darkness, it's like there's a shadow.

SPEAKER_14 2:23:49

So then why why why why this is the point I did find interesting. I was like, okay, that's an interesting choice for her, like that might show up later, type of deal. But also, you're right, like, had her story been a revenge story, it would have made more and then the guy got away or whatever. Or, like, if you had Brainiac be the one who blows up Krypton or something like that, and she's still looking for that motherfucker, like, and or at least like she's given up hope on finding that motherfucker, but like she knows she would do this to him if she could find Brainiac, you know what I mean? But no, her story is not a revenge story. Like, so what is the point of her killing Krim and not just letting the kid do it? It's like, oh well, she'll be evil.

SPEAKER_07 2:24:37

Well, either it's like it's not even really a redemption story.

SPEAKER_14 2:24:41

It's not a redemption story, honestly. Like, like, just let the kid okay. There's one less space rapist around. I don't think she's gonna go on a serial killer spree. Nah. Gonna have a revenge. Fuck it. He's a space rapist for fuck's sake.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:05

No redeemable quality for this motherfucker. Stab. I don't give a fuck. What you gotta do?

SPEAKER_07 2:25:10

She killed my father.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:11

He must die.

SPEAKER_14 2:25:15

Right. So, um we later see uh Kara's return Ruthie to her planet. Um, and we see uh Ruthie playing with uh oh, I'm sorry, um uh after getting the antidote, Kyra saves crypto, of course. Um and then we see uh Ruthie playing with crypto back on um Ruthie's planet, and um Kara's trying to leave and you know make sure that she makes sure that Ruthie's okay, but crypto is kind of looking back and forth between them, is like, do we really have to leave her? And um Kara reluctantly says um asked Ruthie to help her finish celebrating her um 23rd birthday.

SPEAKER_07 2:25:56

Oh, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_06 2:25:57

Yeah, and Ruthie, you mentioned her aunt. She's uh she has an honest now.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:03

Yeah, oh surviving family member mission appears. Okay.

SPEAKER_14 2:26:09

Yeah. Um later Cara is back on Earth and uh she enters Clark's apartment. Same time that Clark is just getting home. He comes in through the window, she comes in through the door, um, and they talk, and Clark asks um when she's gonna be leaving again, and Cara responds that uh she plans on staying in Metropolis. Um crypto is she at he jokingly asks where crypto's gonna stay, and um, because he's messing up his apartment already, and then um he gives it to some chocolate, like oh, I gotta do something because he's down into chocolate and shit. So yeah, and the movie ends from there. Um it felt the movie felt rushed. Yeah, it felt rushed.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:52

Yeah, I forgot it was rushed until you mentioned it. I'm like that track.

SPEAKER_10 2:26:56

The movie definitely felt like it was rushed.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:58

Even the CGI felt rushed. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:01

Because the CGI had problems.

SPEAKER_14 2:27:02

Yeah, CGI definitely had problems, and then every like every planet they were on is the CGI, just about um, like, or at least the backgrounds were and it's hollow green screen.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:15

It's just this it's yeah, it began filming in January and finished in May.

SPEAKER_14 2:27:23

Oh damn March May of 2026 or 2025.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:31

Bruh.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:35

May of twenty twenty six. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:43

Fuck no.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:46

But yeah. So production began literally January 2025, January 13, 2025, and finished May 2025.

SPEAKER_14 2:27:55

Wow. That's no time. That's no time. That's literally no time. That's crazy. That is less than a year. That is a yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:07

Not even barely.

SPEAKER_14 2:28:11

Yeah, barely.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:14

Barely wasn't even six months.

SPEAKER_14 2:28:15

Like that this was a miscalculation on multiple fronts. You don't do this. You don't do this, especially after what happened with the DCU. We're fucking Suicide Squad. Yeah, Suicide Squad is literally uh template of what not to do when it comes to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:39

Well what was the production time on Superman?

SPEAKER_14 2:28:42

Superman was like a couple years. Years like James Gunn had written the script, he was talking about writing the script, and you finally finished it. I think the production time had to be at least a year or so. Yeah, so this was the service. So principal photography began like in February 2024 and wrapped in July 2024. The film spent about five months actively filming, uh and about five months actively filming and around a year in post-production. So that includes like uh refutes. Yeah, CGI, touch-ups, all that stuff. This was Supergirl or Superman. Superman.

SPEAKER_11 2:29:25

So yeah, they they took their time with that, right?

SPEAKER_14 2:29:27

A little bit more, yes. Actually, no, pre-production began in 2023. So February 2023. Filming started 2024, February 2024. So even pre-production, that means they spent this much time writing the script. They spent a year on the script and getting things together. A year they did five months from announcements to product to um to food trapping. Less than five months.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:01

That was that was better. This was this was an entirely disservice to Supercurl.

SPEAKER_14 2:30:06

Yeah, especially better. Especially because this story is so it's one of the more well-known ones, and it's one of the more well-regarded ones.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:16

And they knew they were gonna have one major proponent. Uh proponent, not proponent, uh a major problem. Uh there's another word, and I just can't think of it at the moment. But they knew they were gonna be battling the fuckers that don't want to see a female leg.

SPEAKER_11 2:30:31

Yes, yeah. Misogyny, yeah. Oh, this misogyny.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Um so you knew you were gonna have those fuckers that were gonna be like just downplaying this fucking movie off map. You should have came harder, you should have came better. That there you should have taken your time with this.

SPEAKER_14 2:30:52

There was literally no reason for them to have rushed this the way they did, none whatsoever. Another super like they were playing another Superman movie. Cool, but that's fun.

SPEAKER_06 2:31:02

There was no reason why do Supergirl, right?

SPEAKER_07 2:31:04

Yeah, why you still could have you still could have had that as a side project? Exactly.

SPEAKER_14 2:31:10

It literally hasn't been unless Supergirl's gonna be a massive influence in the in Superman 2, yeah, the second movie. But even still, uh what would this movie have to do with that?

SPEAKER_07 2:31:22

It's it's almost like honestly, it's kind of like they did with Black Widow.

SPEAKER_11 2:31:26

Yes, yeah, um, yeah, they definitely widowed it, like definitely widowed anyway.

SPEAKER_07 2:31:34

That was disservice to Black Widow as well.

SPEAKER_14 2:31:37

Yeah, yeah, this was definitely early 2000s. Well, and it looks like it was written between 2023 and 2024, so I don't know what the fuck happened.

SPEAKER_07 2:31:46

I don't know what like December 2023.

SPEAKER_14 2:31:52

I don't know what what year's no way. They that means they would have already known that this was gonna be in the works, and they didn't announce this until after Superman came out. Yeah, the script uh well if you could believe uh Google, um the script for 2026 Supergirl film was later written in 2023 and 2024 by screenwriter and in no Nokia. Nokia? I don't believe that shit. I don't believe that, especially with the turnaround time when because they literally it felt like they had not like they had the gods and monsters whole thing planned, right? Right, yeah. They dropped the gods and monsters, what was gonna happen? They dropped Creature Commando, Superman, eventually Batman Brave and the Bold, Green Lantern, like they had that whole list. Supergirl was not fucking on there.

SPEAKER_11 2:32:40

Oh yeah, that's a good point. I don't know, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_14 2:32:51

I don't fucking believe that at all.

SPEAKER_11 2:32:54

There's no way that that went down like that. That is what no, okay. On April 3rd, 2024, that's when um Greg Gillespie was hired to direct and Anna uh Nokia was uh writing the script.

SPEAKER_14 2:33:20

Maybe she turned that shit in Lee. I don't know what the fuck happened.

SPEAKER_13 2:33:29

It's like here you go.

SPEAKER_07 2:33:31

Okay, what I'm seeing is uh the screenplay. The screenplay was written in 23, late 23. No, she was hired, she was hired in late 23, and the screenplay was predominantly drafted throughout 2024.

SPEAKER_08 2:33:54

She wrote it in 2025, right before they fucking started.

SPEAKER_06 2:34:02

That's what the fuck happened. She's just that bad at writing.

SPEAKER_14 2:34:06

There's no fucking in-between. There's no in between. Either it was rushed, which makes like again, we didn't hear anything about Supergirl until Superman came to man, that's right. So it doesn't make any sense that they had planned this out beforehand and didn't make this part of the Gods and Monsters like that. It was done earlier than they thought. And they were like again. Maybe maybe they thought again, Gods and Monsters isn't like Gods and Monsters, there is no time frame on Gods and Monsters. So it doesn't make any sense. No, none of this makes any sense. I don't believe Google.

SPEAKER_13 2:34:44

I don't believe Google. I don't believe the wiki because that the last thing I read was from the wiki, actually. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:50

I don't believe that. That's what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_14 2:34:53

I don't believe any of that shit. Because it wasn't part of the slate. It wasn't even thought. It didn't make it doesn't make any sense that they didn't announce this as part of the slate originally. And for the copy.

SPEAKER_07 2:35:05

It's saying that in 23 that it was.

SPEAKER_06 2:35:09

I don't I don't remember that shit at all. And I remember the road, the the list.

SPEAKER_07 2:35:15

Yeah, it says that um on January 31st, 2023, Gun and Saffron. Saffron or Saffron? I don't know. I hope I'm not fucking up his name because I you know I gotta pet bee for names. Anyway, unveiled their first projects from DCU Slate, which begins with chapter one, Gods and Monsters. One of the films in the slate was an adaptation of the comic book miniseries Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. By Tommy King and Bill Key Heavily.

SPEAKER_11 2:35:57

I fucked up.

SPEAKER_14 2:36:02

Uh uh like I said, I stuck to Space Rapist and just stuck to that and made it a little bit like it doesn't have to be like uh a Zack Snyder dark. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it could have just been more a little bit darker in dealing with her trauma and then seeing her come out of that. I thought that would have been more interesting to see if they didn't do that.

SPEAKER_07 2:36:26

Anna was a I wanna say Anna was uh uh she was she was planned to work on Supergirl for the DCE. So Peter, uh so Gunn and uh Peter, I'm not gonna say his last name again, um uh hired her for this Supergirl because they enjoyed her work on what we didn't see.

SPEAKER_11 2:36:57

Okay, so they gave her uh pity. Stop it. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:07

Stop it.

SPEAKER_05 2:37:09

Stop it. Like for real, like that's what everybody's thinking.

SPEAKER_07 2:37:17

I'm sure it's no bro, like stop it, so stop it. So it says she was a previously attached to write a supergirl film in 2022 when it was being developed as a spin-off from The Flash.

SPEAKER_11 2:37:32

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:37:33

What does that sound like to you? Because the Flash was dog shit. You gotta relax. Anything coming from that that vein would be anything less than dog shit. You gotta relax, okay?

SPEAKER_07 2:37:55

Wait, hold up. This is about to hold on, hold on, hold on. This is about to get them worse. Hold on. Gunn confirmed uh Nogera's involvement and called the film a beautiful star-spanning tale. He chose to move forward with it as the second DCU film after Superman, which was not originally planned, based on the strength of Nogera's script.

SPEAKER_09 2:38:26

Why would you say that?

SPEAKER_05 2:38:32

Why would you say that? What is wrong with you?

SPEAKER_06 2:38:37

Not only am I right, I am justified in the gaslighting that I've been seeing.

SPEAKER_09 2:38:45

Why would you say that, man?

SPEAKER_05 2:38:49

It wasn't fucking part of the slate.

SPEAKER_07 2:38:51

It was part of the slate, but it got it got moved up. It was part of the slate, but it got moved up. That is what I'm taking from that. Fair it was already part of the slate. It was already part of the slate. They just moved up.

unknown 2:39:07

Fair ish.

SPEAKER_14 2:39:08

The only thing I could think of is that some movies.

SPEAKER_07 2:39:10

Based on the strength of her string.

SPEAKER_06 2:39:15

He didn't read that shit. It didn't exist. Bro, believe it.

SPEAKER_04 2:39:21

He had to be otherwise.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:22

Don't want to have read it. You're not just saying based on the strength.

SPEAKER_09 2:39:34

Nothing else you can do. This is the way he's gonna go with it.

SPEAKER_06 2:39:42

This movie came out like this, and it was already written. No, I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_10 2:39:49

I don't know why you said that to begin with. This is on you.

SPEAKER_13 2:39:54

Like I would have let that out. I wouldn't even brought it up. How would you do that? Okay, so I think we're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_07 2:40:07

It entertained me.

SPEAKER_05 2:40:09

Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_07 2:40:12

That was a lobo moment for me.

SPEAKER_14 2:40:14

Yeah, obviously.

SPEAKER_13 2:40:16

We're gonna wrap it there. I'll let you guys have something else to deny about reality.

SPEAKER_09 2:40:22

To deny about I literally got vindicated by reality.

SPEAKER_06 2:40:28

He read the thing. He read the thing. He read it.

SPEAKER_04 2:40:34

He read it.

SPEAKER_14 2:40:36

He didn't want to see that shit go down like this. It's like she already wrote the fucking shit. Let's all let's just fucking put it together. I guess.

SPEAKER_07 2:40:44

No, it was she started to write it. And then it got shelved. It got shelved, and then he gave it back. He said, hey, look, I like what you was gonna go with, right? So just go ahead and finish this out.

SPEAKER_14 2:40:56

So let me ask, what the fuck happened then? I don't know. How do we get this bullshit then?

SPEAKER_07 2:41:03

Hey, you know what? I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_14 2:41:09

Did she write just did she write V and he's like fabulous?

SPEAKER_01 2:41:24

Did you just say it? You tried to say the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 2:41:30

This man put his fucking eyes in fucking cinema. You wrote the word th. You see that shit, Peter?

SPEAKER_05 2:41:38

Hey, look, look, look, look.

SPEAKER_07 2:41:40

It's somewhere between Gillespie and Noguer. It's somewhere between Gillespie and Nogar. Because Gillespie gotta take some, he gotta take some EFS.

SPEAKER_09 2:41:51

He absolutely has to take some E fist. It's actually not printed. It's a slander at this point.

SPEAKER_07 2:41:57

Where this poor woman Gillespie takes he absolutely nah.

SPEAKER_13 2:42:03

Nah, he takes a certain extent around this movie, bro.

SPEAKER_14 2:42:09

To a certain extent, yes. But as the sole writer of this fucking movie, and to have been hyped by Jane's fucking gun.

SPEAKER_13 2:42:20

No. I don't know what he saw. I don't know. I don't know if he saw this this, then I don't know.

SPEAKER_14 2:42:27

And the thing is, is that it was competently directed in a rushed fashion.

SPEAKER_11 2:42:34

Sure. Okay, okay. I'll give you that. Whatever.

SPEAKER_14 2:42:39

Whatever the fuck that means, it was put together as a movie. As a movie. That is what the director's job is.

SPEAKER_06 2:42:47

Unless you're fucking Zack Snyder, your job is to put what you see in the pen in the paper on the fucking screen.

SPEAKER_07 2:42:58

Um, I will say that it looks like crypto was added more by Gillespie.

SPEAKER_06 2:43:04

Does not change the life of draw shit we saw.

SPEAKER_11 2:43:11

Whatsoever. It doesn't change anything. Oh woman, he do nothing.

SPEAKER_07 2:43:15

No, I honestly look, it looks like he he did he did make changes. He he absolutely made changes.

SPEAKER_10 2:43:20

He had to have made changes.

SPEAKER_07 2:43:22

I think he's like, I'm looking at it, I'm reading it. Um it doesn't say exactly what all his changes were, but he didn't make it unless he went in and carved the fuck out of that script.

SPEAKER_06 2:43:36

And just fucking surgically removed any form of heart there was.

SPEAKER_10 2:43:40

I'm gonna put that on her.

SPEAKER_14 2:43:42

That's a fair point because you can't direct around the fact that the movie is kind of aimless. No heart, no core whatsoever, unless you did that yourself. Yeah, and like I said, like you had space rapists right there, and I doubt he was like, I doubt I want to say this, I doubt he was like, nobody's gonna fucking about space rapists, just put more crypto in. Like, I hope that wasn't the case. And if anything, crypto was more in the flashbacks than he was in the main film. That's very important too.

SPEAKER_11 2:44:17

He was in the airline, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, uh, could have thrown in that montage, that's easy to do, easy to say too.

SPEAKER_07 2:44:26

Yeah, it looks like it was more scenes with crypto during the opening credits.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:29

Yeah, the montage, yeah. This isn't her!

SPEAKER_14 2:44:32

Stop calling her back the thing is like for so I can see the director saying, well, for crypto to have more of an impact, we need this montage. Because but crypto was always going to be the catalyst and her driving focus, which again, you have space rapists.

SPEAKER_06 2:44:58

So even he said, I don't give a fuck about this dog.

SPEAKER_11 2:45:06

That's basically what he said. Yes. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_07 2:45:10

Wait a minute. Why is this okay?

SPEAKER_11 2:45:14

I'm gonna end the podcast.

SPEAKER_07 2:45:15

I got you. I think he I think I I think I think he did deviate from her script though. Because it says that the script actually dealt candidly dealt with the trauma of her trauma.

SPEAKER_13 2:45:31

I would love to read the original script, though.

SPEAKER_07 2:45:33

Yeah, honestly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 2:45:35

I would love to read the original script of what she had because there was if she they adapted it from the supergirl that was in uh Sly Snyder's DC U, then there was no crypto. So you would have had to have dealt with that drama. Because that's how she shows up as very dramatic. So yeah, I don't know, I'll just put it like that. I would love to read the original script to see where that's what's going on, yeah. Cause the the this I don't think this might be might have been also producer touch, because Superman was light and airy and hopeful.

SPEAKER_07 2:46:11

Damn, we went through the whole cast without that happening. Uh you had one out.

SPEAKER_14 2:46:19

Oh, okay. So yeah. Alright. So Sister Malou's gotta be told what to do. Hit that like button, smash that subscribe, leave a fucking comment, or I'll come to your house and I'll smack your parents. And if you got problems, you can reach us at the BNCcast at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_00 2:46:35

For Sean, CJ and myself, we'll see you next time on the Bible myself and early by cousin. That gave us two sisters, I can make it funny.